America was never a Christian nation.

a reply to: adjensen

No, they can't legislate a religion, but that's not what you claimed they couldn't do.

That's exactly what I claimed that Congress can't do.

Any law or rule that said that a, say Methodist, was precluded from making decisions based on their Methodist beliefs would be a clear violation of the free exercise clause.

That goes for Muslim, Hindu, atheist or extreme hypocrites, which is what the majority of our law makers are now. However, if your Methodist clergy proposed a law that gave preference to Methodists, that would be a violation.

There is no such thing as "Freedom FROM religion" in the Constitution, and there never was, no matter how much moron atheists would like there to be. (And before you get your dander up, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about these idiots.)

Don't even try to pretend you're not talking about me. My posts have clearly shown that I not only support, but advocate the repeal of the Religious Freedom and Restoration Act. It's unconstitutional from the get go. Further, I am a member of and support the group, created by Ron Reagan Jr, Freedom From Religion.

Damn straight we have freedom from the superstitious ramblings of anti-gay, anti-birth control, anti-science, End of Times Doom Porners, and so called "Christian" world dominionists.

ffrf.org...

a reply to: windword

That's exactly what I claimed that Congress can't do.

No, this is what you claimed:

but if they try to legislated according to their religion it would be a violation of the "Establishment Clause".

Now, that's not entirely understandable, but it sounds like you're saying that a person in Congress is prohibited from voting in accordance with their religious beliefs. If that's not what you're saying, if you're saying that Congress cannot establish a state religion, well obviously I'd agree with you, because that's exactly what it says, and that's what I said in my first post in this thread.

But if you think that the First Amendment prohibits someone in Congress from voting in accordance with their religious (or irreligious, for that matter,) views, no, you're 100% wrong.

Don't even try to pretend you're not talking about me.

I'm not talking about you. As I recall, you're not an atheist, and I don't think you're a moron, so when I reference "moron atheists", I'm obviously not referring to you.

a reply to: adjensen

This is what I said, with the ambiguity edited out.

Our Government has no religion or religious affiliation. And, sure a member of the clergy can and has been elected to office by their constituents, but if they try to legislated their religion it would be a violation of the "Establishment Clause".

Just because the religious keep trying to legislate creationism, morality and GOD doesn't mean it's legal, and we will keep fighting it.

The Religious Freedom and Restoration Act is an unconstitutional law enacted by Congress. It violates the "Establishment Clause". This SCOTUS ruling, in particular, in drawing not from the Constitution, but from the RFRA has ruled favoring a certain Christian doctrine.

The most disturbing part of the SCOTUS ruling is that it elevates the religious rights of business owners above the health interests of their employees. Based on the RFRA guidelines SCOTUS ruled corporations can, in this case, impose their beliefs on others, even if doing so burdens second and third parties.

Not only does the ruling violate the 1st Amendment, but the subsequent 3rd party injunction violates women's 14th Amendment. The Constitution in NO WAY allows for laws that promote the agenda of a religious body of believers.

As far as me being an atheist, I relate far better to atheism (humanism) than any theistic system. I don't believe in your God, or the Biblical God. I don't believe in a deity that is "GOD" at all. What I want is for religious nutters to stay out of our schools, our doctors' offices and our bedrooms.

a reply to: windword

I agree with you about Christianity. So maybe I should have said America is a Christian nation, assuming people understand that Christianity is a circus and not the kingdom of heaven.

My thread was aimed at Christians who believe " in God and country". That we have been financially blessed because we followed gods laws. And now we are being punished because we don't. If we'd just turn back to the good old days when we were a god fearing nation. You know with segregation, slavery, and those dang homos kept in their places. When we could beat our wives because they are to be in submission to us. When God was for us we enjoyed the fruits of the land, you know that was temporarily the land of natives. When if you didn't go to church you were demonized.

So I'll rephrase. Christianity has very little to do with Christ. And America is not Gods nation. Nor is Israel. Nor ______.

The kingdom of heaven is within. Trying to legislate morality is like whitewashing tombs. Do not render to Caesar what is Gods.

a reply to: darkstar57

How about people getting up in arms about the Ten Commandments not hanging in courtrooms. What a ridiculous notion. Like that will do anything.

"The power of sin is the law" including the ten. Trying to be placed back under the bondage of the law is outrageous, except that is the nature of religion. To bind.

"You have been set free from the law of sin and death " but I loves me some Ten Commandments, I mean that's what our Christian nation is based off.

While there are some isolated quotes by some of the Founding Fathers, the vast majority did not share your opinion. For a better understanding from the original papers of the Founding Fathers, please go to wallbuilders.com. Yes, we were definitely founded as a Christian nation. Sorry.