Is the MH17 shootdown/crash in Ukraine really a false flag with MH370?

originally posted by: Moresby

originally posted by: jamesmm791
a reply to: FlySolo


I agree. Also, what are the odds of losing two Malaysian airlines...

The odds are astronomical. The Boeing 777 factor is equally puzzling. Prior to this year, the 777 was the second safest passenger jet flying.

Well, it may still be a very safe plane (mechanically speaking). The intentional taking down of a plane has very little to do with a plane's overall mechanical safety record.

a reply to: yeahsurexxx

Yes the plane was boarded in Amsterdam. This does not prove the case that it must be the MH17. It could be the mh370 rigged with explosives. Text

So how do you envision this. They landed mh370 months ago and got rid of the passengers and stored the mh370 all this time only to have it reappear as mh17 and blow it up over the Ukraine, off course after they landed the actual mh17 flight and got rid of those passengers too.

Why not just shoot mh17 out of the sky or put a bomb onboard?

Why do the same thing twice when you would only need one flight to crash?

a reply to: AstralTrespass

Well simple really. They now need a plane to crash into the south Indian Ocean

originally posted by: Moresby

originally posted by: jamesmm791
a reply to: FlySolo


I agree. Also, what are the odds of losing two Malaysian airlines...

The odds are astronomical. The Boeing 777 factor is equally puzzling. Prior to this year, the 777 was the second safest passenger jet flying.

Whilst I agree the odds of losing two MAS 777s is incredibly low, neither of these incidents necessarily reflect on the safety of the 777 given one disappeance could well be a deliberate act and the second was essentially a terrorist attack.

originally posted by: mindtrix
a reply to: AstralTrespass

Well simple really. They now need a plane to crash into the south Indian Ocean

Makes sense. You have months to rig MH370 with explosives and make it look like MH17. And after it explodes over Ukraine, you now have however long to make MH17 look like MH370, and like it's been in the ocean for months. This "wreckage" is conveniently "found" in the South Indian Ocean at some later date.

The supposed "shoot down" has served its Lusitania-like political purposes. And the MH370 mystery is "solved".

Hillary blames russia for this Link

Putin blames No one so far Link

Nato blames russia and insists that Putin blames ukraine (very vage)Link (swedish ,use google translate)

Blame game gogogo!

originally posted by: KingIcarus

originally posted by: Moresby

originally posted by: jamesmm791
a reply to: FlySolo


I agree. Also, what are the odds of losing two Malaysian airlines...

The odds are astronomical. The Boeing 777 factor is equally puzzling. Prior to this year, the 777 was the second safest passenger jet flying.

Whilst I agree the odds of losing two MAS 777s is incredibly low, neither of these incidents necessarily reflect on the safety of the 777 given one disappeance could well be a deliberate act and the second was essentially a terrorist attack.

You're forgetting the Asiana Airlines crash in 2013. Luckily that resulted in few loses of life. But still ...

The 777 had a near spotless record for 17 years. And then three incidents in the space of a year. Plus, a whole range of ominous sounding safety warnings predating these incidents.

Now airbus securely holds the tops several spots for safety. And the A380 problems become yesterday's news.

And if you think "terrorist attacks" or "shoot downs" have no impact on insurance, public perception and safety records, look into what occurred following KAL 007, the Lockerbie bombing and 9/11.

TPTB are playing chess, not checkers.

a reply to: Moresby

Another nail in the coffin is the fact the supposed "now certain" location of mh370 won't be searched untill august. Why wait till august? one has to ask. when all assets are already available from the previous "search". It all falls into place nice and snug in my opinion.

I saw on the news (I know not a trusted source) a video where people picked up the passports from the floor, so how is this possible? The airplane gets distroyed but the passports are intact, curious

originally posted by: JackSylvane
I saw on the news (I know not a trusted source) a video where people picked up the passports from the floor, so how is this possible? The airplane gets distroyed but the passports are intact, curious

I think they do this just to annoy people like us. We know it's nonsense. But they know the vast majority of the public will buy it hook, line and sinker. And they know that will make us angry. And they think that's funny.

a reply to: DodgyDawg

You are right. The Buk missile system requires more than one vehicle. You need the TEL ( transport erector launcher) a command post and a radar array... Which sometimes can be both. So at the very least you need 2 vehicles...likely more. So forces other than the "rag tag separatists" must be operating this system.

Now for my ATS oriented question:

If NATO was so quick to slap blame on Russia, who's to say NATO didn't do it? Ukraine has Buk systems. Oh right, they didn't fire anything out of their inventory.

Am I supposed to believe Kiev...the same Kiev that got into power through a coup... Which involved snipering both protesters and police, then never talking about that cover up again?

I highly doubt MH370 is MH17...way too many variables to consider in making this a viable "false flag" in that sense. However, it is still just as likely the group that is doing all the blaming (at least what I can see from my perspective) is the group responsible.

It is unnerving that all the talking heads are pushing the "punishment" (aka WW3) agenda.

I'm puzzled why it had to be Malaysian Airlines twice! What did Malaysia do to piss off the cabal? Or was it all just bad bad luck... (yeah sure)

Next plane to be "apparently shot down" will be a Malaysian airliner.
Once they required mh370 it was easy to do this, if this first one don't start a war they will repeat this again.

So a theory
Load mh370 with explosives.
Swap mh370 with mh17.
rinse and repeat the original MH17 now becomes some other MH(insert number here) strapped with explosives.
next one will be over Russia so they really can blame them in no doubt.

Just throwing it out wrong or right who cares we are here to make theories and discuss.

a reply to: amraks

Ah I see. I think all this is like a magician's slight of hand. What a I mean is, every card trick has a "throw away" card which means one card is sacrificed to allow for the observer to become confused and allow the trick to proceed. Kind of hard to explain but your theory falls along the same lines of thought. Fight 370 was the throw away card. It disappeared "magically" but can now be used in a bait and switch and subsequently, each other card becomes that of the previous.

I found the video I was talking about

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: JackSylvane

I saw that on RT and thought to myself it's kind of weird. To be showing the pictures of people in passports like that before families can claim their dead.

There has been a lot of talk over the years that boeing has installed remote control capability to their aircraft to override threat by hijackers. Boeing patented the technology 11 years ago.

www.thestar.com.my...

Was the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 a test run?

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
a reply to: DodgyDawg

You are right. The Buk missile system requires more than one vehicle. You need the TEL ( transport erector launcher) a command post and a radar array... Which sometimes can be both. So at the very least you need 2 vehicles...likely more. So forces other than the "rag tag separatists" must be operating this system.

The Buk TELAR on its own with the built in fire control radar can operate on its own against a target. Yes limited compared with the full system but it is designed to be so if required. The TELAR operators can also fire the missiles without radar guidance and use the optical turret and laser for tracking. An aircraft such as MH17 - large and non manouvering would be an easy target.

EO Turret on Buk

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EO Turret in following image located in front of stowed position missiles.

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There is a lot that stinks about this, just as with the MH370 disappearance. There has been sufficient time now to have swapped the planes, black boxes etc. The presentation of so many undamaged passports gives this credence - MH17 was redirected, passengers killed, passports taken, black box taken. 370 shot down/blown up over Ukraine. Days elapse before bodies recovered, and black box missing.
There was a news clip with some numbers clearly visible on a plane part wreckage on the ground: KE 3563. I have googled and examined photos of the actual plane involved and can not find what those numbers are. Does anyone know? Its the not tail number, but I am assuming each plane has a unique number. Are there any detailed references to the markings/ID numbers on the 370 and 17 planes?

a reply to: hmmmbeer

Let me help u out reg number
Rego Number 9M-MRO
Flight Number MH370


Rego number 9M-MRD
flight number MH17