Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: thesaneone

Done Sir.
Although this is a conspiracy site.
You can leave "pathetic" and "stupidity" in your home.
thanks

Your welcome.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: Zaphod58

I agree, but have they not know that they were flying over a war-zone? And If i understood it correctly, pro-Russians weren't supposed to have the technology to take down a plane flying over 30,000 feet, right? Unless of course Russia didn't supply them with the technology. But the Ukraine army had the technology to do it. And what's up with that Ukraine jets escorting this plane? So much questions.

What Ukraine jets escorting the plane? source please?

a reply to: Nikola014

It's come out today that several airlines that said days, or even weeks go that they would no longer fly over the region because of the fighting have been flying over the region without telling their passengers they were. Prior to this though, the biggest threat to flights was a MANPADS, which couldn't reach anywhere near cruising altitude for a commercial plane. That's why they restricted flights to 32,000 feet and above.

Reports are that they captured several missile batteries, but the commander of this one is believed to be Russian, or working for them.

The only place I saw the reports of fighters were from Russian sources that were less than credible, although I was out of touch off and on yesterday so may have missed something.

a reply to: TDawgRex

Well, that would be the best case scenario, but what are the possibilities for such thing to happen? Will Russia admit they were supplying rebels with high-tech technology? Will they arrest the responsible ones and bring them to face the justice? Will Ukraine admit they deliberately sent that plane over a war-zone? I'm guessing not. Whoever is the guilty one will do their best to protect their own, and try to cover up as much as possible. Unfortunately that's the world we are living in.

@Zoomer You have it somewhere in this thread, I do not remember on what page exactly.

a reply to: Nikola014

Ukraine didn't "send them over a warzone". Their flight plan was filed well before they departed and took them over the region, long before they were under control of any Ukraine controllers.

I read only about 70% of thread so excuse me if this idea was already posted.
Initially I was quite sure that separatists did terrible mistake. But: AN-26 have normal flight level around 2.000 m and can climb to 7.500 m maximum. It is also much smaller than 777. Now if somebody is capable of operating Buk SAM system he will probably be able to recognize propeller AN-26 flying around 2000 m from jet 777 flying at 10.000 m. IMHO such mistake is very unlikely.
Do have separatist any reason to shot down international commercial flight? This is PR war so they will probably avoid such action as proverbial devil the cross.

a reply to: matafuchs

1. We are pushed aside in Syria by Putin. 2. Putin supplies Iran with tech and scientists. 3. Iran is 'helping' Iraq as a covert way to take control 4. Russia invaded the Ukraine and is aiding the 'separatist' rebels. 4. Gaza is exploding again. 5. A plane filled with almost 300 civilians is SHOT out of the sky.

1. You have no business in Syria.
2. America supplies islamic fighters with weapons.
3. America is constantly toppling regimes and meddling in other countries´affairs.
4. America invaded Iraq, America invaded Afghanistan, America.....
5. Is that Russia´s fault too?
6. True.
7. Is it hard to count to five?

Where is the response? Russia is pushing us over and over and over and over and the US is doing nothing.

According to your logic Russia should've attacked America years ago.

a reply to: JanAmosComenius

If they were only using radar, there is no difference between an AN-26 and a 777, except the altitude they were flying at. And I doubt the rebels were trained well enough to be able to tell an altitude difference by skin return.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: TDawgRex

Well, that would be the best case scenario, but what are the possibilities for such thing to happen? Will Russia admit they were supplying rebels with high-tech technology? Will they arrest the responsible ones and bring them to face the justice? Will Ukraine admit they deliberately sent that plane over a war-zone? I'm guessing not. Whoever is the guilty one will do their best to protect their own, and try to cover up as much as possible. Unfortunately that's the world we are living in.

@Zoomer You have it somewhere in this thread, I do not remember on what page exactly.

the plane was flying same route it had flown numerous times before...

a reply to: Zaphod58

Fair enough, but isn't that fault of the airline company then? Knowingly flying over a war zone? I apologize if I got something wrong, I am not familiar with flying paths of this company, I'm not trying in any way to spread false information.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: JanAmosComenius

If they were only using radar, there is no difference between an AN-26 and a 777, except the altitude they were flying at. And I doubt the rebels were trained well enough to be able to tell an altitude difference by skin return.

Some one, earlier in the thread, said that they operated SAMs before and that most older SAM systems have an IFF antenna, and that the commercial airline would have been squawking and they would have picked it up.

Also they have spotters, one would hope, with strong binoculars to identify if it indeed was a AN-26 instead of a 777. It's pretty sobering that they may have more of these systems, and are so poorly trained and trigger happy that they'll just shoot at any blip that flies where they think the Ukrainian Air Force is.

Watching the UNSC right now. The Russian delegate really sounded on the defensive. The Ukrainian delegate is using english and speaking calmly.

Interesting to say the least.

a reply to: Nikola014

Of course you aren't, never thought you were. Most people aren't familiar with this sort of thing, so there's usually a lot of confusion.

The airlines are looking to save money, which means cutting over Ukraine instead of going around it. Before this, a few hundred flights went over the area with no problems, so they kept doing it. They gambled that there wasn't a way to hit a plane, short of fighters, which would be able to see that they were a commercial flight.

Sadly, it came back and bit them in the ass.

I'm part of a psychic circle and the victims have already come through to us during a seance

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: baburak
a reply to: AlmightyCaligula

You do know that audio that was released, was uploaded to YouTube at least 14 hours before the crash? And after everyone realised that, it was removed from youtube .. but we live in the world where once something is on the internet, it can never be erased

What about that pattern?

I haven't read this thread since page 40 something so forgive me if it has been answered but can you post the proof that those recordings were a fake.

Here you go. First video was already removed but anyone who knows how to use internet cache can confirm it.
Proog

Here are two interesting things too:

1. Tweet of the @rucontinental that says that Kolomoisky is planning a surprise for Poroshenko and it involves planes. (dated 13.7.2014). Printscreen 1

2. Tweet of the @vesti_kpss which is proukrainian. Tweet was posted hours before the crash and it says that Ukraine is planning to shot down commercial flight to get NATO forces in the country. Printscreen 2

a reply to: majesticgent

Conscripts, such as Russia uses, are trained in the absolute minimum they need to know to operate the system. Rebels wouldn't even have that much training. If they saw a plane coming along on the flight path they were expecting the AN-26 on, at about the right time, it would be easy to assume and fire.

a reply to: Zaphod58

What I find interesting in all this is that the pictures from the crash site look NOTHING like the crash site images of Flight 93 in Shanksville PA on 9/11.

Ok, the 777 is a bigger plane, but it crashed after falling from a similar altitude and didn't 'vaporize' like we have been told happened to Flight 93.

Even more interesting...

On MH17 were a large number of delegates - more than 100 experts, researchers and activists - headed to an AIDS conference in Melbourne.

www.theaustralian.com.au... 3cbf3571dcb2bf1

a reply to: eonpeon

Because they didn't crash anything close to similar. Flight 93 dove into the ground at high speed. MH17 was hit by a missile and came down relatively flat, and comparatively gently.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: majesticgent

Conscripts, such as Russia uses, are trained in the absolute minimum they need to know to operate the system. Rebels wouldn't even have that much training. If they saw a plane coming along on the flight path they were expecting the AN-26 on, at about the right time, it would be easy to assume and fire.

From the reports on the BBC about the taped convo between the insurgents and Russian intelligence that exactly what happened.

The seemed shocked and surprised when they got to the crash sight there was no weapons and only civilians in the downed plane.

Familys of those who died should be suing the airline, Ukraine and Russia.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: JanAmosComenius

If they were only using radar, there is no difference between an AN-26 and a 777, except the altitude they were flying at. And I doubt the rebels were trained well enough to be able to tell an altitude difference by skin return.

The questions remain: We were told that Buk SAM system can be operated only by highly trained experts (I do not believe it - good technician with access to documentation can probably handle it in few weeks). Still you need somebody smart and aware of anti air force defence and air traffic situation in area. Such person would be probably well aware of the fact that there are many commercial airliners crossing battlefield every day and of repercussions of downing one of them. Do you really think that such smart person would see some unidentified spot on radar screen and push the fire button? Of course its possible but unlikely.