Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

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Plane shot down

originally posted by: rustyclutch

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: rustyclutch
Your speculation is no better than mine.

It's not my speculation.....it's dead bodies......

When you presume to tell people how they got there when the experts haven't even figured it out yet....it's speculation.

You're telling me there are experts in the debris field of a downed airliner stood among dead bodies, many of whom are still strapped in or tangled up in wreckage and they are scratching their heads and looking around completely baffled as to how the bodies got there?

a reply to: webstra

Wow, it even looks like the tail is gone in that video.

Or could just be blur.

a reply to: fatdeeman

I never said that was what happened. I simply implied it is a possibility. I'm sorry that you aren't able to follow another person's train of thought and see things the way they are seeing them sometimes.....even if you don't believe it. I don't believe the Russians or the pro-Russians had anything to do with it. That's my stance on it. As far as the 370 flight...its a wild conspiracy theory but totally within the realm of possibility. Let us remember how we were dragged into ww1. The Lusitania. They sent that boat into hostile waters knowing it would be sunk. We have a devious government and I am not willing to put anything past them. Don't be mad at me because I have an open mind.

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: rustyclutch

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: rustyclutch
Your speculation is no better than mine.

It's not my speculation.....it's dead bodies......

When you presume to tell people how they got there when the experts haven't even figured it out yet....it's speculation.

You're telling me there are experts in the debris field of a downed airliner stood among dead bodies, many of whom are still strapped in or tangled up in wreckage and they are scratching their heads and looking around completely baffled as to how the bodies got there?

I thought there were these people called forensic specialists....silly me. Guess that's only on CSI and NCIS.

"According to Amsterdam airport authorities, the majority of the 280 passengers (154) were Dutch passengers, with the 27 Australians coming up second. There were also 23 Malaysian passengers, 23 American, 11 Indonesian, 6 British, 4 German, 4 Belgian, 3 from the Philippines and 1 from Canada."

So very sad. As an Aussie I know that this route is used a lot by Australian tourists who fly to Europe to get home. We generally fly via Asia as our gateway (through KL, Singapore or Bangkok), so it makes sense that there would be so many Aussies on board So very sad for all the families involved. It really was an international mix of people.

I fear what is ahead.

why was the black box sent to Moscow if it was shot down and was on Ukraine ground... sounds a little fishy to meh

originally posted by: webstra
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Plane shot down

That looks pretty convincing to me and I'm not aware of any similar footage that already existed....

originally posted by: rustyclutch
We have a devious government and I am not willing to put anything past them.

"We". Who? The US government? What exactly has the US gvt to do with a Malaysian plane flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur shot down over the Ukraine?

originally posted by: pimptriggs
why was the black box sent to Moscow if it was shot down and was on Ukraine ground... sounds a little fishy to meh

Think of it like this. If russia shot it down, (which i don't believe), they would need to cover their tracks. If Ukraine shot it down they would need the evidence to prove it wasn't them. As close as it was to the Russian Border it was probably unavoidable that they got it.

a reply to: aLLeKs

Russia, did it come from Moscow, military strike by Vladmir Putin?

originally posted by: Darkblade71
a reply to: webstra

Wow, it even looks like the tail is gone in that video.

Or could just be blur.

Tail still there by looks of things, white line of upright fin plus darker wings.

Apologies for the poor terminology.

So the right engine is ablaze but the rest of the plane appears to be intact. Does that contradict the account of what happened esp. regarding the scatter of debris...?

Very sad situation for Malaysian Air and what a strange coincidence that Israel attacks Gaza.

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed

originally posted by: rustyclutch
We have a devious government and I am not willing to put anything past them.

"We". Who? The US government? What exactly has the US gvt to do with a Malaysian plane flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur shot down over the Ukraine?

The same thing the CIA has to do with Ukraine. Please try to keep up. You do remember we helped them overthrow their old president right? That's what started this whole civil war over there.

originally posted by: AstralTrespass

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Actually, RT is a pretty good news source.

It's true that they are focusing on the Ukraine being at fault, but it doesn't mean it's pro-Putin propaganda.

Um…

Russia Today is a Putin-directed propaganda machine, started and run by two Putin cronies; Mikhail Lesin and Aleksei Gromov. I though all ATS members were aware of that?

presstv

Cany you list some other news agencies that are more desirable in your view?

you would think that this would raise some "false flags" and people would to see the truth of the box and not what they are going to show us after they delete everything incriminating .
a reply to: rustyclutch

They never found that missing plane and they never will!

My sympathies to the families of the victims.

More carnage and more weeping families as the result of weapons of mass destruction falling into the wrong hands. In my opinion, there are really no responsible hands anywhere in the world that should handle WMD'S They will always lead to carnage and suffering somewhere. And as far as who is responsible, well, we are just as guilty in causing death and destruction around the world. It is nothing new, and seems to even be getting worse as international relations become more and more strained. May some day hopefully come when earthlings realize that this type of action is not the way to solve our problems, but it seems to be a long ways off.

I wouldn't believe anything from any news agency right now based on how MH370 was handled. Disinformation everywhere.

If you do buy into the news agencies info...PRINT off pages before they are gone forever.

originally posted by: fanthorpe

originally posted by: Darkblade71
a reply to: webstra

Wow, it even looks like the tail is gone in that video.

Or could just be blur.

Tail still there by looks of things, white line of upright fin plus darker wings.

Apologies for the poor terminology.

So the right engine is ablaze but the rest of the plane appears to be intact. Does that contradict the account of what happened esp. regarding the scatter of debris...?

Was thinking the same thing, how could it scatter in parts over a 9 mile radius when it was flying pretty low it seems from the footage(at least not at normal altitude) while still intact?