Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

There were Americans on board this flight, but 47 passengers are unidentified per orders of President Obama, because he is pacing around the rose garden trying to figure out a way NOT to get involved... HAHAHAHA this guy is a Fing joke!

The Reluctant President, that's gonna be the title of my Book about his Presidency.

Think about it. This guy will do anything he can to stay out of military or decisive actions against crimes.

HAHA, just on CNN. The woman at the United Nations said the United States is breathing a cautious sigh of relief that so far they can't recognise any American names on the flight manifest LOL. A cautious sigh of relief... Yeah that means Obama won't have to do anything! HAHAH I can't take it, SO STUPID!

Well no one wants war but sometimes it's not your choice. We'll end up with Russia and their proxy terrorist group, just like Iran and Hamas...

originally posted by: rustyclutch
It's another thing to keep driving the same point home like it's the truth when you are just speculating yourself.

originally posted by: rustyclutch
What about the people that were on those imaginary flights?

Massive hypocrite, I'd love to see you tell a room full of relatives of people that died on 9/11 that their loved ones didn't die because the planes they were flying in were imaginary.

You go around spouting opinion presented as fact more than anyone.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I invite you to check out their live coverage of this. It's free to stream and you do not need to login through a cable provider like CNN and Fox.

They are not speculating as to which faction in the Ukraine is responsible and are being very careful to add specific caveats with certain information.

I have to say that it's some of the best reporting I've seen on a tragedy like this. Putin's propaganda or not, they are doing a good job.

a reply to: rustyclutch

Barely handle?

The Pro Russians had their asses handed to them and have been overrun by Ukraine forces at every encounter. Its one of the main reasons the pro russians are complaining about Putin not doing enough to help them.

Looks like 2 phone call intercepts occurred between pro russian forces and russian military intelligence and a call between pro russian forces from 2 groups.

Apparently Pro Russian forces overran a military storage area that contained these BUK missiles and had taken photos of them and posted them on the Dontesk peoples republic twitter feed. Ironically those tweets have since been removed.

Both calls discussed the plane being shot down and it looks like pro russian forces "allegedly" misidentified the aircraft as a Ukrainian military transport. It was not until pro russians arrived on the scene was it determined to be a passenger plane.

There is an emergency UN council meeting being requested.

originally posted by: mclarenmp4
a reply to: rustyclutch


And what is there to prove, 295 people died today and I find it very disrespectful to the people that died that people are already trying to suggest that these people didn't exist and are just part of some wild conspiracy before the dust has even settled.

That's right...take the moral high ground. Have you sent flowers to the families and your condolences? All people did was suggest the possibility. From the looks of things this could be some wild conspiracy. If our speculation doth offend thee I am sure there are other threads. You didn't think people would sit quietly without trying to piece it together for themselves did you?

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: rustyclutch
It's another thing to keep driving the same point home like it's the truth when you are just speculating yourself.

originally posted by: rustyclutch
What about the people that were on those imaginary flights?

Massive hypocrite, I'd love to see you tell a room full of relatives of people that died on 9/11 that their loved ones didn't die because the planes they were flying in were imaginary.

You go around spouting opinion presented as fact more than anyone.

Based on the images being broadcast, which shows bodies pixelated out, and the reports from press on the ground that were walking through pools of blood without knowing it. Bodies still attached to seats by seat belt.

nothing imaginary about this.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

but have been pretty good about saying they do not know all the facts as of now.

And whatever facts they don't know, they will make them up.

Something they have been caught doing on numerous occassions.

originally posted by: Brainiac
a reply to: bellagirl Sorry about your fellow Aussies. There were Americans on board too. Sorry again that our leaders are cowards and will take NO actions against the perpetrators of this terrorist attack on a civilian airliner...

its only 7.30am here and we are all waking up to this news. fair dinkum the world has gone absolutely crazy.

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: rustyclutch
It's another thing to keep driving the same point home like it's the truth when you are just speculating yourself.

originally posted by: rustyclutch
What about the people that were on those imaginary flights?

Massive hypocrite, I'd love to see you tell a room full of relatives of people that died on 9/11 that their loved ones didn't die because the planes they were flying in were imaginary.

You go around spouting opinion presented as fact more than anyone.

Well when you can provide your evidence in another thread I will be glad to see it. All science and laws of physics and engineering says there is no way that a plane hit those towers. A plane might have been hijacked. People on that plane may have been killed. No plane hit those towers. People with PHD's, degrees in engineering , physics, pilots, etc will tell you it was impossible and why. Me stating a possibility isn't the same as me clicking on every post I don't agree with telling people I am right and they are wrong. Spare me the patronization. Next strawman argument.

The facts are a plane got blown up and nobody knows how right now. That's all I have seen that's proven so far. SO until otherwise proven your guess is as good as mine. Or should I say my guesses are as good as yours.

30 years ago being scared to fly was about crashing, now it's being shot down!
At least that's what's on my mind, flying internationally.

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Actually, RT is a pretty good news source.

It's true that they are focusing on the Ukraine being at fault, but it doesn't mean it's pro-Putin propaganda.

Um…

Russia Today is a Putin-directed propaganda machine, started and run by two Putin cronies; Mikhail Lesin and Aleksei Gromov. I though all ATS members were aware of that?

So which shady government official runs ATS?

Pretty interesting how the owner of ATS finds it necessary to jump in and criticize RT. Kinda explains a lot of the staff bias lately.

Propaganda or not, I'd still rather view RT than anything spewed out of British tv. On RT I do at least hear two sides of a story, on british tv we just get one very biased side.

Russia did it. No speculation. No spinning this. No matter what guise or disguise they were in, Russia did it.

originally posted by: Hellas
I'm just watching this on the news.

The say that the Ukrainians claim it was shot down by the Russians

Something's up with Malaysian Airlines. Two major incidents in such short time period.

There were Ukrainians on the missing flight too. I'm sure someone already said that but haven't gotten past page 1 yet.

Yeah...something's up.

originally posted by: rustyclutch
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That's right...take the moral high ground. Have you sent flowers to the families and your condolences?

I'm pretty sure acknowledging people's very existence is enough to claim the moral high ground.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Actually, RT is a pretty good news source.

It's true that they are focusing on the Ukraine being at fault, but it doesn't mean it's pro-Putin propaganda.

Um…

Russia Today is a Putin-directed propaganda machine, started and run by two Putin cronies; Mikhail Lesin and Aleksei Gromov. I though all ATS members were aware of that?

Cany you list some other news agencies that are more desirable in your view?

originally posted by: bellagirl

originally posted by: Brainiac
a reply to: bellagirl Sorry about your fellow Aussies. There were Americans on board too. Sorry again that our leaders are cowards and will take NO actions against the perpetrators of this terrorist attack on a civilian airliner...

its only 7.30am here and we are all waking up to this news. fair dinkum the world has gone absolutely crazy.

No confirmation on the 23 US citizens from what i have seen.

As for the world going nuts - Absolutely.

Israel just commenced their ground invasion of Gaza while this plane incident was occurring. I am curious to see how long it takes before someone tried to blame Israel.

originally posted by: Vovin

So which shady government official runs ATS?

Pretty interesting how the owner of ATS finds it necessary to jump in and criticize RT. Kinda explains a lot of the staff bias lately.

LOL !!! This is my impression too: If you want to control them, you have to own them.

originally posted by: rustyclutch
All science and laws of physics and engineering says there is no way that a plane hit those towers.

That's the most ridiculous sweeping statement I've seen on here for long time and completely and utterly impossible to backup.

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: rustyclutch
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That's right...take the moral high ground. Have you sent flowers to the families and your condolences?

I'm pretty sure acknowledging people's very existence is enough to claim the moral high ground.

It still requires proof of which you have none. I'm done arguing with you because you just want to derail the thread. You would rather argue about a million things that have nothing to do with this plane crash. All I did was point out similarities in another false flag. You want to break down and analyze the previous false flag. This isn't the thread for htat.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

So far they have done nothing of the sort in their coverage of this tragedy. They are bringing on guests and "experts" to talk about this, just like all the other media outlets, and they are just talking the facts so far. Any speculation has been minimal and they are not focusing on who's to blame.

a reply to: CloudsTasteMetallic

In aviation now its POB, Persons On Board. This terminology replaces Souls on Board, and the flight crew and cabin crew were as far back as I can remember, included in the count.
(Not that this will make any difference to the poor b@5tards blasted out the sky and lying dead in a field).