Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

originally posted by: GargIndia
As I have predicted (posters should read my earlier posts), events in middle-east will push Ukraine to the background.

This is happening currently.

Truth-seekers will do well to read my posts. I always uphold the truth. The complete and unadulterated truth that is always unbiased.

No citizen of western nations should trust their governments. These rulers have sold their soul to the devil. The life may be good, the per capita is sky high, the technology seems invincible; but people forget that we live in God's kingdom. The laws are made by God who is the King.

God lets us enjoy despite our sins, because God is very patient. The results of good/bad deeds are faced after a certain time period, but they are faced for sure. Only God's justice is certain, not mans'.

Ukraine has never been on the front page of anyones radar other than Ukraine and Russia the west would love to get them two to play nice in there own sand boxes. Unfortunately Russia has a history of entering other peoples sand boxes and claiming then as there own. This was only as issue because Putin made it one Putin saw it as a threat because he didnt like the way his neighbor played in there sandbox so he went over there and kicked sand in there face and destroyed their sand castle.

a reply to: earthling42

were murdered when russian militants shot MH17 out of the sky.

Its being past two weeks and now the majority of the western press has either forgotten or ignored what happened to the MH17 if the militants really did shot MH17 out of the sky.

Where is the proof that they did? some random video of a militant youtube talking how they took out a plane? here's the issue in that youtube video you dont hear the words "MH17 " now do you?

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: earthling42

were murdered when russian militants shot MH17 out of the sky.

Its being past two weeks and now the majority of the western press has either forgotten or ignored what happened to the MH17 if the militants really did shot MH17 out of the sky.

Where is the proof that they did? some random video of a militant youtube talking how they took out a plane? here's the issue in that youtube video you dont hear the words "MH17 " now do you?

Tell me youe just trying to be funny i figure maybe your joking giving you the benefit of doubt . If not than wow they didnt even know it was a civilian liner at first now you expect them to know its call sign ? Yeah when you have to suspend reality to believe something you might just want to rethink your position. But either way you did make me laugh so that counts for something.

Just Stop.



Post on topic, or don't post at all. This thread is about a Malaysian Airliner. Not each other.

Allow me to repeat that last sentence...


Not Each Other. Discuss the issue.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

The proof came from Russia itself, their news channel brought the news about how separatists brought down another AN-26 right after MH17 was shot out of the sky and before they realized that it was in fact a civilian aircraft that they shot out of the sky.
And the tweets or message of mister strellkov himself who proudly posted a message about how they shot another AN-26 and a repeat of the warning, "dont fly in our sky".

So it does not matter if the videos on youtube are propaganda or not, they might well be, or we have been listening to actual conversations between so called separatists.

read an interesting website today about this.thought i would post it,
www.globalresearch.ca...

www.anderweltonline.com...

originally posted by: dragonridr
Ukraine has never been on the front page of anyones radar other than Ukraine and Russia the west would love to get them two to play nice in there own sand boxes. Unfortunately Russia has a history of entering other peoples sand boxes and claiming then as there own. This was only as issue because Putin made it one Putin saw it as a threat because he didnt like the way his neighbor played in there sandbox so he went over there and kicked sand in there face and destroyed their sand castle.

Actually Russia has a bit of a cultural paranoia about being invaded from the west dating back to its wars with Poland/Lithuania and Sweden, followed by 1812 France, then the Crimean war in the 1850's, WW1 and WW2.

Stalin's "sphere of influence" that resulted in the Berlin Wall and Iron Curtain (coned by Churchill) is a clear implementation of their desire to have buffer states on their western frontier, rather than any actual desire for empire there (IM).

The difference today is that (again IMO) Putin is seeing "buffer states" in a Stalinist sense - ie they have to be beholdin' to Moscow and effectively puppets - he is not accounting for the recent massive advancements in prosperity that make war inherently less likely because people don't want to go through the hard times of war any more!

And since Russia has never has Civil Society or Rule of Law (not ever - in 1200 years of recorded history!!) ther is nothing to question his implementation of this Russian version of cultural cringe.

originally posted by: haven123
read an interesting website today about this.thought i would post it,
www.globalresearch.ca...

www.anderweltonline.com...

Lets talk reality two things a that aircraft has a 30 mm cannon those holes arent 30 mm and the other thing is they have a choice of two types of ammunition one being he the other smoke. See the problem with this analysis yet? When a high explosive round hits an aircraft makes very big holes not bullet holes. Who ever wrote this blog has no clue about planes or armaments. In a surface to air missile they use about 1 in diameter balls like buck shot meaning it had to be a missile and not rounds from an aircraft. See this guy was to stupid to ask what is inside a surface to air saw a round hole and said hey a bullet did that. But he didnt realize the aircraft doesnt use bullets its actually a grenade launcher for lack of a better term.

a reply to: dragonridr

Fair shout.just thought it was worth a look.

originally posted by: haven123
a reply to: dragonridr

Fair shout.just thought it was worth a look.

Thats the main reason why the news said it was a missile just by looking at pictures of the wreckage. I find it odd to say the least this guy posted this in the first place. He obviously didnt have the expertise to make that call. This tells me his intent was to cloud the issue. But than again maybe he just didntknow and on the internet everyone is an expert right lol.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: haven123
read an interesting website today about this.thought i would post it,
www.globalresearch.ca...

www.anderweltonline.com...

Lets talk reality two things a that aircraft has a 30 mm cannon those holes arent 30 mm and the other thing is they have a choice of two types of ammunition one being he the other smoke. See the problem with this analysis yet? When a high explosive round hits an aircraft makes very big holes not bullet holes. Who ever wrote this blog has no clue about planes or armaments. In a surface to air missile they use about 1 in diameter balls like buck shot meaning it had to be a missile and not rounds from an aircraft. See this guy was to stupid to ask what is inside a surface to air saw a round hole and said hey a bullet did that. But he didnt realize the aircraft doesnt use bullets its actually a grenade launcher for lack of a better term.

The armor piercing rounds will give similar effect as MH17.
Your analysis is wrong.

a reply to: GargIndia

Have you SEEN a 30mm shell?

In what universe does this bullet leave tiny little holes like that.

a reply to: GargIndia

No they won't - AFAIK the SA-11 has a fragmentation warhead and the fragments are likely to be square/diamonds similar to these ones shown in a SA-6 cutaway -



-source

these will produce a variety of hole shapes, as we have seen in the wreckage.

30mm AP rounds would produce very regular holes - essentially 30mm punch-holes, and 30mm HE rounds would produce much larger holes from the explosions.

originally posted by: GargIndia

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: haven123
read an interesting website today about this.thought i would post it,
www.globalresearch.ca...

www.anderweltonline.com...

Lets talk reality two things a that aircraft has a 30 mm cannon those holes arent 30 mm and the other thing is they have a choice of two types of ammunition one being he the other smoke. See the problem with this analysis yet? When a high explosive round hits an aircraft makes very big holes not bullet holes. Who ever wrote this blog has no clue about planes or armaments. In a surface to air missile they use about 1 in diameter balls like buck shot meaning it had to be a missile and not rounds from an aircraft. See this guy was to stupid to ask what is inside a surface to air saw a round hole and said hey a bullet did that. But he didnt realize the aircraft doesnt use bullets its actually a grenade launcher for lack of a better term.

The armor piercing rounds will give similar effect as MH17.
Your analysis is wrong.

No your clueless here you might want to look at a 30 mm round armor piercing in this case but in a fighter they use HE. But none the less please explain how this made those holes i love to hear that one.

a reply to: dragonridr
To be fair that's a slightly larger round than the Russian 30x165 used in the Su-25

Lavrov says manipulating MH17 crash into oblivion should not be allowed

How much time to the following questions being answered:

For examples, where are the transcripts of the exchanges between the pilots of MH17 and the Ukrainian air controllers and why were they not presented to the international community?” he asked.

“Why did the controllers instruct the flight to enter the conflict zone? What was a Ukrainian air force plane doing in the near-vicinity of the Malaysian Boeing right before the incident? What was happening to the wreckage at the crash site and why it has not been examined by the appropriate international investigating authorities?”

source

IMO this incident is connected to series of events orchestrated by a certain "anonymous" power to seize and control important oil/gas areas, that went very wrong (in part of the plan at least, cause some are ongoing, but with unexpected alternate media scrutiny).

Still waiting for evidence that it was Russia missile that caused the Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline to be shoot down. So far no evidence has being provided.

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

The proof came from Russia itself, their news channel brought the news about how separatists brought down another AN-26 right after MH17 was shot out of the sky and before they realized that it was in fact a civilian aircraft that they shot out of the sky.
And the tweets or message of mister strellkov himself who proudly posted a message about how they shot another AN-26 and a repeat of the warning, "dont fly in our sky".

So it does not matter if the videos on youtube are propaganda or not, they might well be, or we have been listening to actual conversations between so called separatists.

And the tweets or message of mister strellkov himself who proudly posted a message about how they shot another AN-26 and a repeat of the warning, "dont fly in our sky".

So tweets and Twitter are Evidence now? this wont do as this reminds me of during the war in Syria from two years ago for an half of a year they being relying on twitter and tweets from the Syrian Task Emergency Force and other NGOs posting tweets and images of alleged of war crimes by Assad.


But in truth the tweets arent even and shouldn't be used nor considered as either evidence or proof, if thats you want to play it remember the claims how that ASSAD is in moscow in a ship? that all started on twitter,facebook thats the downside of tweets and social media.

strellkov himself who proudly posted a message about how they shot another AN-26 and a repeat of the warning, "dont fly in our sky".

Its clear the majority of you westerns and Americans cant understand Russian what strellkov stated was not about the Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline but was an direct to the Ukrankian air force and other flights since its an war zone.

their news channel brought the news about how separatists brought down another AN-26 right after MH17 was shot out of the sky and before they realized that it was in fact a civilian aircraft that they

Are you feeling a bit of war orgasm? because you have to do a lot better then that.

So it does not matter if the videos on youtube are propaganda or not, they might well be, or we have been listening to actual conversations between so called separatists.

Still waiting for actual evidence that The Ukrankian Brave Candy army have destroyed the aid convoy but i am quite sure for a person like yourself you would believe that little fairy tale by the Ukrainian government.


So far your beloved Ukrankian government has thus far failed to do anything to prevent Ukraine from collapsing if anything the Ukrankian elections in October would be meaningless. As this would give the chance for the right sector and other fascist parties more chances at seats in the Parliament.

So it does not matter if the videos on youtube are propaganda or not

It matters if by your logic we should believe the youtube videos cause if we did right now we would be at war in Syria repeating the Libyan war.

that it was in fact a civilian aircraft that they shot out of the sky.

What you stated was basically not even closer to proof that it was the Ukrankian separatists your basically repeating what you heard on the news and no not Russian but western news.