Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

a reply to: Flatcoat

They have the cockpit voice recorder, which means they have all air traffic control communications.

a reply to: Zaphod58

And you don't think it would be prudent for the SBU to give them all the ATC data as well?

a reply to: Flatcoat

Who say's they haven't? It would be standard in any investigation to hand them over to those doing the investigation, not release them for everyone. It is pretty standard in any criminal investigation to not release evidence to the public until you have completed said inquiry.

Besides, they're on an open radio channel, so you can bet the Russians know what was said. If there was anything suspect in them surely Moscow would be shouting from the rooftops?

a reply to: stumason

Who say's they haven't? It would be standard in any investigation to hand them over to those doing the investigation, not release them for everyone. It is pretty standard in any criminal investigation to not release evidence to the public until you have completed said inquiry.

I believe I said this in another comment, but the first thing the SBU did was release a supposed "smoking gun" recording of the seperatists, so either that was a total fabrication released for propaganda purposes, or the SBU doesn't give a damn about standard investigation protocols. Neither inspires much confidence in their motives or abilities. Besides, nothing has been reported anywhere regarding the ATC data, other than it being confiscated by the SBU.

a reply to: Flatcoat

Then let's wait and see what the Dutch say, rather than speculate over who said what, who has recordings etc.

However, like I said, if there was anything incriminating in those recordings, you can bet the Russians would have already released it. The fact they haven't speaks volumes, really.

a reply to: Flatcoat

but the first thing the SBU did was release a supposed "smoking gun" recording of the seperatists, so either that was a total fabrication released for propaganda purposes, or the SBU doesn't give a damn about standard investigation protocols.

Somewhat like the way the Russians did with their evidence of a non existing SU 25 following MH 17?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Flatcoat

but the first thing the SBU did was release a supposed "smoking gun" recording of the seperatists, so either that was a total fabrication released for propaganda purposes, or the SBU doesn't give a damn about standard investigation protocols.

Somewhat like the way the Russians did with their evidence of a non existing SU 25 following MH 17?

At least Russia waited a week, not while the wreckage was still burning.

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: Zaphod58

And you don't think it would be prudent for the SBU to give them all the ATC data as well?

ATC is shared live thats how they track planes in flight so they had it from the very beginning not sure why you guys are arguing over this.

Also heres a blog that discusses Ukraine shows the Russians are lying again about the SU and releasing even video game video to fool people.

ukraineatwar.blogspot.com...

a reply to: Flatcoat

At least Russia waited a week, not while the wreckage was still burning.

That's because they needed to time to create that mountain of evidence they trotted out about a plane following MH 17, and they did a poor job at that.

a reply to: dragonridr

ATC is shared live thats how they track planes in flight so they had it from the very beginning not sure why you guys are arguing over this.

If that's the case, then why would the SBU bother confiscating it?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Flatcoat

At least Russia waited a week, not while the wreckage was still burning.

That's because they needed to time to create that mountain of evidence they trotted out about a plane following MH 17, and they did a poor job at that.

That works both ways though, how long did it take for the SBU to create that dodgy video? It appeared almost simultaneously with the news of the disaster.

a reply to: Flatcoat

Because the center tapes include internal conversations that had to be preserved. Tapes are always taken after a crash.

a reply to: Zaphod58


Thought you want to see this apparently the pentagon has made a decision to send supplies for troops now. And the EU has lifted there ban on military exports to Ukraine as well. Russia is running out of time on this Putins choice back down or create another Afganistan for Russia. Id say this was a direct result of the malysian flight they no longer can ignore Russian participation and pretend its not happening.

www.usatoday.com...

Heres a report on the investigators

www.bbc.com...

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Flatcoat

but the first thing the SBU did was release a supposed "smoking gun" recording of the seperatists, so either that was a total fabrication released for propaganda purposes, or the SBU doesn't give a damn about standard investigation protocols.

Somewhat like the way the Russians did with their evidence of a non existing SU 25 following MH 17?

At least Russia waited a week, not while the wreckage was still burning.

So making up a nonsense story is OK if you wait a while??

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: stumason

Who say's they haven't? It would be standard in any investigation to hand them over to those doing the investigation, not release them for everyone. It is pretty standard in any criminal investigation to not release evidence to the public until you have completed said inquiry.

I believe I said this in another comment, but the first thing the SBU did was release a supposed "smoking gun" recording of the seperatists, so either that was a total fabrication released for propaganda purposes, or the SBU doesn't give a damn about standard investigation protocols. Neither inspires much confidence in their motives or abilities. Besides, nothing has been reported anywhere regarding the ATC data, other than it being confiscated by the SBU.

COMMON SENSE

If the rebels really hit the plane , the SBU would release the real ATC tapes immediately along with confirmation from US and NATO signal intercept , and no one even russia cannot deny it because it is the truth and fact supported by evidence..

SPIN-ALERT

- since the shotdown the ukraine 'evidence' was proven as a hoaxed tape conversation.
- US and allies backed down from their 'rethoric' and 'accusations'
- ukraine military didnt cooperate with investigators by keeping their offensive on the conflict area instead of temporary truce in the debris area.
- israel keep pushing into gaza no matter how high the civilian casualties they incurred, and this with FULL SUPPORT from US and it's allies all over the world.

Coincidence ? there's no such thing in the world...

Unravel the missing MH370 and you will see the hidden truth about why some 'puppet masters' put their revenge into Malaysian Flag Carrier.

Do you all know which person or organization that was previoulsy offended by malaysia ? im sure ATSer here know immediately who.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Flatcoat

but the first thing the SBU did was release a supposed "smoking gun" recording of the seperatists, so either that was a total fabrication released for propaganda purposes, or the SBU doesn't give a damn about standard investigation protocols.

Somewhat like the way the Russians did with their evidence of a non existing SU 25 following MH 17?

At least Russia waited a week, not while the wreckage was still burning.

So making up a nonsense story is OK if you wait a while??

It'd have a bit more credibility at least....

a reply to: Flatcoat

Why is it that you think nonsense has more credibility if it is generated a bit later on in the timeline/?

It's still nonsense after all!

a reply to: buntalanlucu

Go any actual evidence for those of your claims that are factual and not just opinion?

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: Flatcoat

Why is it that you think nonsense has more credibility if it is generated a bit later on in the timeline/?

It's still nonsense after all!

Because if you present the evidence at the same moment the crime is committed, it tends to look as though you had the evidence prepared beforehand.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

It's easy to criticize - - especially if you're NOT contributing to the thread.


The World is still awaiting:

* Ukraine to release the confiscated audio tapes from the control tower

* Satellite proof that shows the separatists did it (remember U.S. has 100% proof)



. . . lol.