Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

originally posted by: roadgravel

The R-60s hit the Mh17 somewhere Close to the two engins on the left side.

Isn't the 777 a 2 twin engine aircraft?

Not any more.

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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: flibblebee

No, it wouldn't. Again, it depends on the missile. An infrared missile will track for the hottest part of the plane. That's engines or APU on a commercial plane. A radar guided missile is going to track on the largest radar return, which would be the center of the fuselage where the wingbox and fuselage join. You would never try to track on the nose, because there's too good a chance you could miss.

So why the large amounds of shrapnel near the front?

originally posted by: roadgravel

The R-60s hit the Mh17 somewhere Close to the two engins on the left side.

Isn't the 777 a twin engine aircraft?

Yes it it my bad.

originally posted by: roadgravel

The R-60s hit the Mh17 somewhere Close to the two engins on the left side.

Isn't the 777 a twin engine aircraft?

yes

originally posted by: flibblebee
So why the large amounds of shrapnel near the front?

It was caused by pro russian chainsaws.

a reply to: spy66

No, it wouldn't be burning necessarily. Again, other planes were hit by missiles, and didn't leave smoke trails. Most of the fuel was carried in the wings. When the aircraft broke apart, it would have dispersed the fuel, which would have been most of what burned and would leave a smoke trail down to the ground. It was too dispersed to burn.

originally posted by: flibblebee

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: flibblebee

No, it wouldn't. Again, it depends on the missile. An infrared missile will track for the hottest part of the plane. That's engines or APU on a commercial plane. A radar guided missile is going to track on the largest radar return, which would be the center of the fuselage where the wingbox and fuselage join. You would never try to track on the nose, because there's too good a chance you could miss.

So why the large amounds of shrapnel near the front?

Because of the proximity fuze. The engins are not that far from the front.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: flibblebee
So why the large amounds of shrapnel near the front?

It was caused by pro russian chainsaws.

That's really a stretch.

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a reply to: flibblebee

Because it was a SAM coming from the front, tracking towards the middle of the plane, when it detonated. I didn't say that a missile couldn't hit near the nose, I said that you don't deliberately make it track near the nose.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: spy66

No, it wouldn't be burning necessarily. Again, other planes were hit by missiles, and didn't leave smoke trails. Most of the fuel was carried in the wings. When the aircraft broke apart, it would have dispersed the fuel, which would have been most of what burned and would leave a smoke trail down to the ground. It was too dispersed to burn.

When the Aircraft broke apart? When did it breake apart? After the missile hit it right?

The Aircraft didnt break apart before the missile hit. First it sets of its charge and you have a blast, that created a lot of heated fragments.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: flibblebee

Because it was a SAM coming from the front, tracking towards the middle of the plane, when it detonated. I didn't say that a missile couldn't hit near the nose, I said that you don't deliberately make it track near the nose.

And since BUK's have been in use for some time, we would see the bias on tracking for this system. Can you show this?

a reply to: spy66

They're a lot farther than you think they are from the front. Certainly not close enough that they would have had that damage pattern under the cockpit if it detonated near the engines.

A 777 is 209ft 1in long from tip of the nose to tip of the tail. That means that the engines, which are roughly halfway down the fuselage, would be 100 feet from the cockpit. That's not that close.

I bet the saw guys were carving up the front of the plane looking for the black boxes.

a reply to: spy66

And as the fuel disperses, as it will when the wings break apart, it won't burn. It has to be concentrated for it to burn, and once the wings open up, the fuel isn't concentrated anymore.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: spy66

They're a lot farther than you think they are from the front. Certainly not close enough that they would have had that damage pattern under the cockpit if it detonated near the engines.

A 777 is 209ft 1in long from tip of the nose to tip of the tail. That means that the engines, which are roughly halfway down the fuselage, would be 100 feet from the cockpit. That's not that close.

Well, the crash happened in Europe, can you give that in Metric please?

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a reply to: Zaphod58

there is no front and back in outspace Jim,,,Spock to Kirk,, episode 345


missle could detonate ,, front ,back, side, top, bottom,,depending on vector,,and wind speed,,unless u have a computer,,

just speculating in 4 dementional space,

u know outside the box.

a reply to: Zaphod58

worked for the world trade centre,,,hmmm

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: spy66

And as the fuel disperses, as it will when the wings break apart, it won't burn. It has to be concentrated for it to burn, and once the wings open up, the fuel isn't concentrated anymore.

This is how jetfuel burns.

a reply to: flibblebee

Some of here are trying to get real information, why are you so hellbent on trolling ATS?

a reply to: flibblebee

63.7 meters total length and roughly 30.5 meters.