Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

Flight recorders to be handed to Malaysians!

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak says the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 black boxes will be handed over to the Malaysians in Donetsk at 9pm Ukrainian time. The bodies of 282 victims of the crash are to be flown to Amsterdam.

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originally posted by: DaFunk
Ok, I know people will hate this, and it's just an angle, but

This just feels too "perfect"

Spidersense tingling tells me I'm being fracked around with.

I don't know yet what it means in the bigger skeme of things, but its a 100% clear that these pics are tampered with, at least the scene is.

Find the diferences with the above pic,




And after that, do you expect me to believe this is how it came down.....

a reply to: Seek_Truth

Its an internal structure piece it looks like. Anti corrosion paint, and possibly smoke residue from a fire. That kind of framing would most likely be found in the wing.

originally posted by: DaFunk
a reply to: moobie

They shot down a plane on July 14, at least they claimed it.

Could it be that these phone calls are made up out of bits from two seperate days, July 14 and July 17? Bits of July 14 talking about the downed Antonov, and bits of July 17 talking about a civilian jet that was downed, but never actually saying they shot down a civilian jet?

This seems to be the case,

en.itar-tass.com...

A group of experts studied the tape and came to the conclusion that it was made up of numerous unrelated recordings. “This audio recording is not an integral file and is made up of several fragments,” said Nikolai Popov, a reputable expert in sound and voice analysis.

If it is also true that the audiofile indicates that it was created before the crash, I would say it is some very damning info about the Ukraine.

This should be the front page story.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Aha! Thanks Zaph

I still think its painted camo though.

Well it looks as though they found MH 370 hid in the wreckage.

www.flickr.com...

Just trying to toss a little humor in there. Sometimes a good smile helps in tense times.

originally posted by: ScrutonEyez

originally posted by: DaFunk
a reply to: moobie

They shot down a plane on July 14, at least they claimed it.

Could it be that these phone calls are made up out of bits from two seperate days, July 14 and July 17? Bits of July 14 talking about the downed Antonov, and bits of July 17 talking about a civilian jet that was downed, but never actually saying they shot down a civilian jet?

This seems to be the case,

en.itar-tass.com...

A group of experts studied the tape and came to the conclusion that it was made up of numerous unrelated recordings. “This audio recording is not an integral file and is made up of several fragments,” said Nikolai Popov, a reputable expert in sound and voice analysis.

If it is also true that the audiofile indicates that it was created before the crash, I would say it is some very damning info about the Ukraine.

This should be the front page story.

Once again. TIME STAMPS CAN BE MANIPULATED OR POSTED IN ANOTHER PART OF THE WORLD WITH A DIFFRENT TIME ZONE GIVING IT A DAY LAG OR PLUS. Just because it has a timestamp does not always make it correct.

originally posted by: Seek_Truth
a reply to: j.r.c.b.

And this image shows some sort of metal frame that is painted in camo????

Why would any part of a civilian aircraft be painted camo?

Seems odd to me if that piece is indeed from MH17.....

The internals wouldn't be painted Camo, waste of money.

a reply to: yuppa

I wasn't talking about the timestamp from the yt vid posting if that is what you are aiming at. It was in the audiofile.

But hey, let's forget about the timestamp, you can't dismiss the blatant fakery of using different segments fused together.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: spy66

Putin is now challenging the US on their evidence. Russian radar have not picked up any missiel "BUK" fired from the ground towards MH17. And are asking the US to put forth their evidence.

Even if they did do you think they would show it, as that would not be good for a certain group of separatists. And if the US shows the evidence Russia will say it's all made up propaganda much like many on ATS will say.

I dont think the US will display their evidence, because they dont have any. They would have done it by now if they had. Because if Russia are guilty as the US state, The evidence of it would be all over the News With radar images and what ever else they have.

originally posted by: ScrutonEyez
a reply to: yuppa

I wasn't talking about the timestamp from the yt vid posting if that is what you are aiming at. It was in the audiofile.

But hey, let's forget about the timestamp, you can't dismiss the blatant fakery of using different segments fused together.

Actually we can. what was the source? RT perhap? Im a show me type of person show me a complete trail.

originally posted by: ScrutonEyez

originally posted by: DaFunk
a reply to: moobie

They shot down a plane on July 14, at least they claimed it.

Could it be that these phone calls are made up out of bits from two seperate days, July 14 and July 17? Bits of July 14 talking about the downed Antonov, and bits of July 17 talking about a civilian jet that was downed, but never actually saying they shot down a civilian jet?

This seems to be the case,

en.itar-tass.com...

A group of experts studied the tape and came to the conclusion that it was made up of numerous unrelated recordings. “This audio recording is not an integral file and is made up of several fragments,” said Nikolai Popov, a reputable expert in sound and voice analysis.

If it is also true that the audiofile indicates that it was created before the crash, I would say it is some very damning info about the Ukraine.

This should be the front page story.

Yeah i was paying attention to the Audio analysis until they mentioned the date wrong since that was explained. So the expert appears to be some guy in a basement with him mom. Also explains why the explanation went in circles and hes critiquing the timing of the video against the audio. Wow the guy preparing the video didnt get it right hmmm i wonder if this person realizes that the conversation did not originally have the video and the entire thing was edited to make one.

But all my doubts aside if he truly where an expert im sure will hear alot more come out on the subject as im sure others looked at it as well.

a reply to: dragonridr

hmmm i wonder if this person realizes that the conversation did not originally have the video and the entire thing was edited to make one.

Hmmm, I wonder if you know what you are talking about. No I don't, I know you don't.

The vid consists of 3 phonecalls. At least one of the phonecalls which should be a continious recording is actually made up out of at least 3 separate segments.

Furthermore, the date was found in the audiofile. This is not about some yt. timestamp. Even if it is not legit, the phonecalls are still faked, obviously. The conversations don't even flow logically, you can hear they are different recording with your own ears.

And, even in the vid as it has been presented, they never admit to downing a civilian jet.

a reply to: yuppa

I provided a link and the person is named in the story.

God forbid this was true and you wouldn't believe it because hey, it's RT. Like they have no right to point out the obvious in Russia's defence.

It seems that anything not bashing Russia is not allowed here anymore.

originally posted by: j.r.c.b.
Here's another filled with pictures. Maybe our engineer folks, or those that know about planes can sift through these pics & tell us what some of this stuff is?? www.flickr.com...

Not much there to show what caused the crash, a couple of overhead lockers, aileron parts, probable landing gear flap hydraulic ram.

What appears to be shrapnel damage is just probably damage as the aircraft broke up and parts bounced of each other.

Vertical stabiliser / part of rudder.

The cammo part is as said probably a internal strut, the green is the original colour, the black could be from inspection procedures or as said before smoke damage.

originally posted by: ScrutonEyez
a reply to: yuppa

I provided a link and the person is named in the story.

God forbid this was true and you wouldn't believe because hey, it's RT. Like they have no right to point out the obvious in Russia's defence.

It seems that anything not bashing Russia is not allowed here anymore.

Of course the Russian run media is going to defend mother Russia, they want to get a paycheck don't they?

a reply to: thesaneone

Of course the Russian run media is going to defend mother Russia, they want to get a paycheck don't they?

Could one argue that their American counterparts follow the same logic, and should therefore be judged using the same criteria, when it comes to the info they release?

a reply to: spy66
Actually the US could show its evidence but it would reveal its methods if it did. The radar image looked manufactured to me. Also that su=25 cant get to 32,000. the su25 was around if it was at max alt was about 8-9 miles distance out.

su 25s air ro air missile

This missile was way outside range to be used onthe malaysian flight.But what about another one? hold ya horses its coming.

other air to air missile

read the platforms this one is used on. no SU-25

SO how did a su-25...fire a missile that had a 5 mile range over 8 miles away from it hit a airliner above its ceiling? it defys the laws of psychics.

a reply to: ScrutonEyez

I don't believe any of the US media outlets are owned by the federal government.

a reply to: yuppa

SO how did a su-25...fire a missile that had a 5 mile range over 8 miles away from it hit a airliner above its ceiling? it defys the laws of psychics.

Noone claimed it fired a missile. At least noone in the OP did.

edit, sorry, thought it was other thread.

Actually the US could show its evidence but it would reveal its methods if it did. The radar image looked manufactured to me.

Yes it is way less reliable than the US' evidence that they didn't show.....