Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

a reply to: ghostpigeon

Well then I guess you have it all figured out.

Good luck with that.

They are saying on CNN that a body from the plane came down through the roof of a home 10 minutes away from the wreckage. What 10 minutes means in distance, I'm not sure. Odd thing is - the guy in the home said he heard the explosion and thought it was some sort of rebel fight near his village, so he ran and hid in his basement. That is when the body came through the roof.

Funny how the west can rush out recordings of phone calls right after the event, but now on news broadcasts they keep saying nobody knows whats happening with the bodies, nobody knows whats happening with the crash site, nobody knows whats happening with the black boxes.

Has the the phone call recorder guy gone on holiday now ?

How come they cant intercept calls now to find out what they need to know.

originally posted by: bigyin
Funny how the west can rush out recordings of phone calls right after the event, but now on news broadcasts they keep saying nobody knows whats happening with the bodies, nobody knows whats happening with the crash site, nobody knows whats happening with the black boxes.

Has the the phone call recorder guy gone on holiday now ?

How come they cant intercept calls now to find out what they need to know.

That would be because the pro russian rebels have locked the scene down and refuse to allow anyone with investigative backgrounds into the area. Instead the pro russians are removing the bodies that they looted the last few days, leaving them outside in the elements for that time frame. They have brought in cranes to continue removing debris from the site, essentially destroying almost any evidence that could possibly be there.

This is what happens when pro russian rebels drunk on vodka get big boy toys and opt to not identify a target before shooting it down.

Good thing the pro russian rebels bragged about their exploits on social media.

originally posted by: IZombie
They are saying on CNN that a body from the plane came down through the roof of a home 10 minutes away from the wreckage. What 10 minutes means in distance, I'm not sure. Odd thing is - the guy in the home said he heard the explosion and thought it was some sort of rebel fight near his village, so he ran and hid in his basement. That is when the body came through the roof.

33k feet with the airplane disintegrating over 10 miles at a speed in excess of 400-500 miles an hour with a straight shot through the air.

While it may be 10 minutes by car it may only be a few minutes if that by air.

Russian Media on Malaysian Flight MH17 Tragedy: Epic Fail

he Russian media has made one thing clear in the aftermath of the destruction of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17: it generates a view of the world corresponding to the political needs of the Kremlin. Yet even the Kremlin spin machine has been incapable of coming up with a plausible account of this tragedy that could deflect responsibility from the Putin administration's policies and actions.

So far, Russian official statements have been limited to generalized finger-pointing at the Ukrainian leadership for supposedly fomenting conflict and protests that "nothing has been proven yet." As a result, the state-controlled mainstream Russian media has been left spinning its wheels, rather than the facts as usual.

As many commentators have noted, following the awful events of this week the Kremlin's policy of covert "hybrid warfare" in Eastern Ukraine is at a crossroads: Putin must balance the domestic political risks involved in backing down from conflict and, at least implicitly, acknowledging Russian responsibility for the tragedy, on the one hand, against the growing dangers of Russia's global economic and political isolation, on the other.

Given the unknowns involved, it is small wonder that his administration is refraining from extensive public pronouncements, in the hope that no more conclusive evidence surfaces that Flight MH17 was destroyed by incompetent separatists, perhaps supplied and aided by the Russian armed forces, as western specialists and intelligence services believe to be the case.

This has left the mainstream Russian media, used to taking the lead from the Kremlin narrative, uncomfortably hanging. With no officially endorsed version of events to echo and embellish, media accounts have concentrated on casting doubt and offering murky proposals. Russia's established news sources of record are either refraining from offering analysis at all or resorting to half-baked insinuations.

An interesting read, especially the theories put forth by Russian media.

Click link to read rest of article and theories.

a reply to: Xcathdra


No I think it's because the west make up whatever narrative they think best suits their agenda.

a reply to: Xcathdra

It is remarkable that USA supported Ukraine gets no criticism at all.

I am actually relieved that Kiev has shown absolutely no access or control over the Donetsk region in this tragedy; thus reinforcing the case of separatists.

If Kiev could rush to control the ground situation immediately after the tragedy, that would have shown a Ukraine that believes in its territorial integrity and control over its area.

India has taken huge losses in Kashmir but has not budged an inch. This is the difference.

You cannot claim a land without the readiness to defend it and provide for it.

It is the separatists that control Donetsk, has been proven without an iota of doubt.

You can criticize Russia all you want, nothing will come out of your criticism.

Russia will not only survive without you, but actually thrive.

A Russia free of Western influence will grow in every sphere of human achievement.

I would be glad to see Russians shake off their Western links and seriously engage with Asia.

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Xcathdra

It is remarkable that USA supported Ukraine gets no criticism at all.

I am actually relieved that Kiev has shown absolutely no access or control over the Donetsk region in this tragedy; thus reinforcing the case of separatists.

If Kiev could rush to control the ground situation immediately after the tragedy, that would have shown a Ukraine that believes in its territorial integrity and control over its area.

India has taken huge losses in Kashmir but has not budged an inch. This is the difference.

You cannot claim a land without the readiness to defend it and provide for it.

It is the separatists that control Donetsk, has been proven without an iota of doubt.

Judging from the reporters Ukraine didnt move into that area because they had already planned there attack. They have taken the airport and apparently the train station is currently the battlefield. So they are in donetsk as we speak meaning this will be over in a couple of days. I cant see the separatists being able to hold out much longer. To move to the crash area would have been a major redeployment of there planned attack and id guess ruled out because of it.

a reply to: dragonridr

So in your view - taking train station is more important than the sanctity of crash dead. Interesting.

War cannot wait. I understand. But accusations have to fly non-stop.

Your statement on war seem illogical to me as all photos and videos show separatists moving around freely. It does not look like they are surrounded or about to capitulate.

a reply to: dragonridr

So in your view - taking train station is more important than the sanctity of crash dead. Interesting.

War cannot wait. I understand. But accusations have to fly non-stop.

Your statement on war seem illogical to me as all photos and videos show separatists moving around freely. It does not look like they are surrounded or about to capitulate.

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: dragonridr

So in your view - taking train station is more important than the sanctity of crash dead. Interesting.

Interesting that you criticise a country for not defending its territory, and then get upset when they prioritise military goals.

Besides, your equation of ability to defend something with a right to govern it is basically fascist. Was it fine for Great Britain to run India because hey, Indians couldn't be bothered to control their own territory militarily?

Obama will be making a statement this morning at 10:50am ET.

Interested to hear if an official stance has been taken.

White House Live Feed

Putin is now challenging the US on their evidence. Russian radar have not picked up any missiel "BUK" fired from the ground towards MH17. And are asking the US to put forth their evidence.

On the other hand Russia picked up a Fighter Jet from the Ukraine gaining altitude towards the MH17 and was at the time it was broght Down only 3 to 5 km away from Mh17. That is well within the range of fireing a Air to Air missile.

I hope we get to see the evidence the US claim that they have.


The News link is in Norwegian. But i have mentioned the important parts of the article.

www.dagbladet.no...

a reply to: spy66

Of course they didn't pick it up. Radars in the vicinity would have trouble picking up a target as small as an SA-11 missile.

Amazing how they just now say there was a fighter in the area.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Correct me if I'm wrong...

But isn't the Su-25's service ceiling 23,000ft?

Wouldn't that make it awfully difficult for it to climb to 33,000ft quickly, if at all?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: spy66

Of course they didn't pick it up. Radars in the vicinity would have trouble picking up a target as small as an SA-11 missile.

Amazing how they just now say there was a fighter in the area.

There is going to be more than just this in the days to come.

The Word now is that the explosive rods used in the BUK dont consit With the downed Mh17.
But the explosive rods used in a Air to air missile does.

The fighter jet News have not been old in Norway. Eyevitnesses have told the media 4 days ago that they saw two Aircrafts in the sky, one whent Down and the other flew on.

a reply to: bigyin

No I think it's because the west make up whatever narrative they think best suits their agenda.

Something the Russian media and the Kremlin would never do.

originally posted by: Seek_Truth
a reply to: Zaphod58

Correct me if I'm wrong...

But isn't the Su-25's service ceiling 23,000ft?

Wouldn't that make it awfully difficult for it to climb to 33,000ft quickly, if at all?

Ukraine have SU 27s. They can do the job.