Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

I really can't imagine Malaysian airlines being happy with facing potential bankruptcy as a result of participating in some kind of false flag operation.

What I never understand is the things people call suspicious are exactly the things anyone carrying out a false flag WOULD NOT do such as using the same airline and model of aircraft twice. If you think something is suspicious then you can bet a potential conspirator will know it would look suspicious and avoid doing it. You credit these imaginary false flag people with unbelievably amazing capabilities and and intelligence then suggest they have slipped up on something as obvious as using the same plane and airline twice. The kind of people that could stage two aircraft disasters would not be so dumb as to make such a "schoolboy error"

a reply to: fatdeeman

They don't care.. Money makes the world go round. They'd get a decent amount of cash for that

a reply to: khnum

Aussie Tough!

You know the thing that has been bugging me about this outside of all the arguments going on that seems different from the 370 scenario, is no one seems to be questioning the "Cargo" on this plane.

I only mention this because we have obviously seen soldiers going through what looked like boxes of things being tossed onto a truck. Besides that just being wrong and destroying a crime scene, it seems like it was almost a priority of what to do before dealing with the bodies.

With 370, we came up with the important people pretty fast that were on the flight that led to all kinds of speculation, and this flight we now know about the Aids people.

With 370 after finally getting to the cargo, we discovered the lithium batteries and the tons of fruit. That raised more question, the batteries more so than the fruit of course.

So, here I am now, curious as to why it was so important to get "boxes" on a truck and taken away as a seemingly first priority.

Are we perhaps looking at the wrong things here? All fighting about who did it and not what other reasons someone might have done it?
Maybe the escort jets were more of a marker of which plane to shoot down. Arguments about why other planes got past this area safely and this one didnt. Maybe that would explain why they were there? To make sure the plane got were it needed to be?

I know I may be reaching here, but as in depth as we went into 370, I do think the cargo may possibly be a key to this which is being overlooked, especially with the immediate actions that were taken by the soldiers on the ground.

originally posted by: Hellas
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They don't care.. Money makes the world go round. They'd get a decent amount of cash for that

I really don't think anyone in the world has enough money to compensate for a major airline losing all future revenue, who's to say the airline doesn't carry on operating for another 100 years or more?

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IFF - Wiki

Identification, friend or foe (IFF) is an identification system designed for command and control. It enables military and national (civilian air traffic control) interrogation systems to identify aircraft, vehicles or forces as friendly and to determine their bearing and range from the interrogator. IFF may be used by both military and civilian aircraft.

IFF was first developed during World War II. The term is a misnomer, as IFF can only positively identify friendly targets, not hostile ones. If an IFF interrogation receives no reply or an invalid reply, the object cannot be identified as friendly, but is not positively identified as foe. There are many reasons that friendly aircraft may not properly reply to IFF.

IFF is a tool within the broader military action of "Combat Identification (CID), the process of attaining an accurate characterization of detected objects in the operational environment sufficient to support an engagement decision." The broadest characterization is that of friend, enemy, neutral, or unknown. CID not only can reduce fratricide, but also contributes to overall tactical decision-making.[1]

It looks like IFF is available to civilian aircraft but it does not look like its required.

Aside from El Al airlines commercial aircraft do not have warning systems to let them know they are being painted by military radar / launch warning.

This Is What Kremlin Panic Looks Like

Interesting observations.

originally posted by: onehuman
You know the thing that has been bugging me about this outside of all the arguments going on that seems different from the 370 scenario, is no one seems to be questioning the "Cargo" on this plane.

I only mention this because we have obviously seen soldiers going through what looked like boxes of things being tossed onto a truck. Besides that just being wrong and destroying a crime scene, it seems like it was almost a priority of what to do before dealing with the bodies.

With 370, we came up with the important people pretty fast that were on the flight that led to all kinds of speculation, and this flight we now know about the Aids people.

With 370 after finally getting to the cargo, we discovered the lithium batteries and the tons of fruit. That raised more question, the batteries more so than the fruit of course.

So, here I am now, curious as to why it was so important to get "boxes" on a truck and taken away as a seemingly first priority.

Are we perhaps looking at the wrong things here? All fighting about who did it and not what other reasons someone might have done it?
Maybe the escort jets were more of a marker of which plane to shoot down. Arguments about why other planes got past this area safely and this one didnt. Maybe that would explain why they were there? To make sure the plane got were it needed to be?

I know I may be reaching here, but as in depth as we went into 370, I do think the cargo may possibly be a key to this which is being overlooked, especially with the immediate actions that were taken by the soldiers on the ground.

They were more interested in the cargo on 370 because there wasn't almost concrete evidence that the plane had been shot down by an SAM missile, they didn't even have any wreckage to go on so were desperate for any lead.

Why were rebels removing boxes? Who knows? Considering the disregard for the crime scene anything is possible. Maybe they had just found some valuable resources or assets for their own use? None of us really know what the rebels are doing there all we know is they shouldn't be interfering with a crime scene and they shouldn't be removing ANYTHING be it boxes, crates, flight data recorders or indeed corpses. We also know they have denied investigators access while they have been going through the wreckage.

originally posted by: onehuman
You know the thing that has been bugging me about this outside of all the arguments going on that seems different from the 370 scenario, is no one seems to be questioning the "Cargo" on this plane.

I only mention this because we have obviously seen soldiers going through what looked like boxes of things being tossed onto a truck. Besides that just being wrong and destroying a crime scene, it seems like it was almost a priority of what to do before dealing with the bodies.

With 370, we came up with the important people pretty fast that were on the flight that led to all kinds of speculation, and this flight we now know about the Aids people.

With 370 after finally getting to the cargo, we discovered the lithium batteries and the tons of fruit. That raised more question, the batteries more so than the fruit of course.

So, here I am now, curious as to why it was so important to get "boxes" on a truck and taken away as a seemingly first priority.

Are we perhaps looking at the wrong things here? All fighting about who did it and not what other reasons someone might have done it?
Maybe the escort jets were more of a marker of which plane to shoot down. Arguments about why other planes got past this area safely and this one didnt. Maybe that would explain why they were there? To make sure the plane got were it needed to be?

I know I may be reaching here, but as in depth as we went into 370, I do think the cargo may possibly be a key to this which is being overlooked, especially with the immediate actions that were taken by the soldiers on the ground.

Looting. aka. military resupply..

a reply to: onehuman

I haven't seen any claims of fighters, except from the alleged Spanish controller, who has been debunked already.

originally posted by: Zandril
For those who believe this is connected to MH370 please provide evidence. It will make the rest of us less sceptical

No direct evidence but the odds that two planes from the same small airline would be involved in two mysteries is so high that I think it's reasonable to believe they probably had something to do with each other.
(I think they both had their transponders switched off).

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: Hellas
a reply to: fatdeeman

They don't care.. Money makes the world go round. They'd get a decent amount of cash for that

I really don't think anyone in the world has enough money to compensate for a major airline losing all future revenue, who's to say the airline doesn't carry on operating for another 100 years or more?

You have got to see the big picture. Events like this can be planned over decades and companies like that can exist only for that particular reason. They're like sleepers, waiting for their "purpose" to be fulfilled.

Hillary has it all figured out..

Find an alternative to Gazprom and work with us more closely..

originally posted by: Hellas


You have got to see the big picture. Events like this can be planned over decades and companies like that can exist only for that particular reason. They're like sleepers, waiting for their "purpose" to be fulfilled.

That's not a big picture that's a barely legible scribbling on a toilet cubicle wall.

The very suggestion that Malaysia Airlines may have been founded in 1948 for the purposes of performing a false flag operation in 2014 is just too inane to even give thought to.

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: Hellas


You have got to see the big picture. Events like this can be planned over decades and companies like that can exist only for that particular reason. They're like sleepers, waiting for their "purpose" to be fulfilled.

That's not a big picture that's a barely legible scribbling on a toilet cubicle wall.

The very suggestion that Malaysia Airlines may have been founded in 1948 for the purposes of performing a false flag operation in 2014 is just too inane to even give thought to.

Well, they seem pretty good at it.

originally posted by: fatdeeman

originally posted by: Hellas


You have got to see the big picture. Events like this can be planned over decades and companies like that can exist only for that particular reason. They're like sleepers, waiting for their "purpose" to be fulfilled.

That's not a big picture that's a barely legible scribbling on a toilet cubicle wall.

The very suggestion that Malaysia Airlines may have been founded in 1948 for the purposes of performing a false flag operation in 2014 is just too inane to even give thought to.

Ok

I have to wonder if some of the facts are actually sinking in with some people.

The armed rebels have prevented independent investigators from accessing the crash site, tampered with the crime scene, used crude machinery to move around massive pieces or wreckage and have now loaded dead bodies into train wagons and are going to take them to an UNDISCLOSED destination.

Read through that a few times and tell yourself this is really happening right now as we speak.....

originally posted by: fatdeeman
I have to wonder if some of the facts are actually sinking in with some people.

The armed rebels have prevented independent investigators from accessing the crash site, tampered with the crime scene, used crude machinery to move around massive pieces or wreckage and have now loaded dead bodies into train wagons and are going to take them to an UNDISCLOSED destination.

Read through that a few times and tell yourself this is really happening right now as we speak.....

Funny, they claim they are waiting on international inspectors and are dismayed at why they are not arriving.

Everybody has a story to tell, with an agenda.

I am still picking through stories, you seem to have chosen one.

I now see where some people are getting their pro russia talking points -

Here's The Ridiculous Way Russia's Propaganda Channel Is Covering The Downed Malaysia Airliner

Kremlin-backed Russia Today is covering the shoot down of a Malaysia Airlines passenger plane in the only way it knows how: blaming everyone except the Russian government.

Leading its website just one day after the plane was downed in pro-Russian rebel-held territory with 298 people onboard, RT's main headline is to a video of the U.N. Security Council discussion on the topic, along with other headlines that insinuate it was Malaysia Airlines' fault for flying over the area.

"Questions over why Malaysia plane flew over Ukrainian warzone," one headline reads. Another, under its military vertical "Op-Edge," asks "Why was MH17 flying through a war zone where 10 aircraft have been shot down?"

Noticeably absent is any mention of Russian support for the separatists in eastern Ukraine believed responsible, who were caught on an audio recording talking about the plane, after they apparently realized they had shot it down.

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An interesting side note reference which airlines stopped using that route after the shoot down. Aeroflot was one of the airlines who announced they would no longer be using the route. Aeroflot, for those who do not know, is a Russian airline company.

Along with several other Russian airline companies and foreign companies.


Airlines now avoiding flying over eastern Ukraine July 17, 2014, 2:36 PM ET

As of July 17th - initial list -

Here are the carriers that have made announcements regarding the airspace over Ukraine following the crash of Flight MH17:

*- Air France FR:AF said it has decided to avoid the airspace of eastern Ukraine.
*- German airline Lufthansa XE:LHA said it will avoid sending its planes through airspace in Ukraine’s east.
*- Russian airliner Transaero said it will avoid Ukrainian airspace for all future flights.
*- Turkish Airlines said its flights will avoid Ukrainian airspace after the crash.
*- Russian airline Aeroflot said it will no longer fly over Ukraine territory.
*- British Airways said its flights are not using Ukrainian airspace with the exception of once-a-day service between Heathrow and Kiev.
*- Delta Airlines released a statement saying it is not routing flights through Ukrainian airspace.
*- Emirates Airline returned a flight to Dubai and said it will suspend operations to Kiev.
*- Air India said they would reroute flights after the crash.
*- Singapore Airlines Ltd. said that immediately after the incident it began rerouting flights that previously traversed the region.
*- Taiwan’s Eva Airways Corp. is now sending its flights over Turkey instead of Ukraine.
*- Thai Airways International PCL said it was redirecting all six of its routes between Bangkok and European cities.
*- Korean Air Lines Co., which had been avoiding eastern Ukraine since March, is reviewing its risk-control measures on other routes as well. It will stop flying passenger jets next week on its Seoul-Tel Aviv route.
*- Qantas Airways says it stopped flying over eastern Ukraine months ago, and its flights between Dubai and London now go 400 nautical miles south of the region.

a reply to: Hellas

She hasn't got a clue, delusional at the best