Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

a reply to: moobie

I have made none of those accusations. I've said all from the beginning of the situation, that its too early to be certain who is to blame, and that any military action engaged at this moment in time would be premature. Someone needs to pay for this idiocy, but who? We simply don't know right now, for certain.

Its entirely possible we, the general public will never know for certain who is ultimately to blame.

Sadly, my best friend, who is Dutch, IS beating the war-drums.

originally posted by: DaFunk
a reply to: Xcathdra

Can you provide the flight number?

I dont work for any agencies involved in investigating this incident so no, I cant provide you with a flight number.

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: bigfoot007

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: bigfoot007
If we are to look for radar flight evidence, to back up any evidence of ATC, then the neighbouring countries could be asked, although I am not sure what their radar range would be. Also look at the neighbours, not all a savoury bunch (no offence meant).

Neighbouring countries may not cover the area, that is why they hand off.

Russia would certainly cover that area probably from Rostov

Cerainly, Probably, which is it?

Certainly

originally posted by: BMorris
Morally outraged about the incident? Of course I am, but I'm also intelligent enough to realise that:
a) I'm not qualified to perform an analysis on radar data.
b) Not qualified to interpret said analysis.
c) Not qualified to know or interpret international law or politics.
d) The premature revelation of any factual data to the general public could actually do more harm than help.

The best thing to do right now, is just follow the emergent situation, and let the people who are experts in their fields, and recognised authorities do what they are paid to do, and not try and play armchair-CSI.

Yes, very intelligent of you to realize your (intellectual) uselessness, better step aside and let the handlers handle it.

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Now everybody go nuts...

a reply to: Xcathdra

I dont work for any agencies involved in investigating this incident

Ok, any other agencies perhaps....?

originally posted by: DaFunk
Yes, very intelligent of you to realize your (intellectual) uselessness, better step aside and let the handlers handle it.

Like the Pro Russian rebels?

originally posted by: Orwells Ghost
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Now everybody go nuts...

This was said yesterday I think

originally posted by: Orwells Ghost
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Now everybody go nuts...

Its been brought up like 30 pages back..

Okay now how does a proper investigation begin when you have this...



www.bbc.com...

And now the black boxes are recovered they are in the hands of Alexander Borodai, Donetsk Republic political leader.

He also said his forces had brought the plane's "black boxes" to the city and he was supervising them personally.

www.bbc.com...

So I guess we will have to see how long it is before an international investigation team get's to see those boxes.

originally posted by: DaFunk
a reply to: Xcathdra

I dont work for any agencies involved in investigating this incident

Ok, any other agencies perhaps....?

Let me try this again since something got lost in translation..

I cannot provide you with a flight number. If it were in the article, then maybe.

My apologies, I didn't have it in me to read the 60 or so pages that have been written since I last looked at this thread.

originally posted by: Orwells Ghost
My apologies, I didn't have it in me to read the 60 or so pages that have been written since I last looked at this thread.

No worries.. It happens.... a lot.... in threads like this.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Like the Pro Russian rebels?

Whatever fits your script.

originally posted by: DaFunk
a reply to: Xcathdra

Like the Pro Russian rebels?

Whatever fits your script.

No script.. just pointing out the obvious that some seem to ignore.

I've been seeing conflicting reports on the news. Are the black boxes in the hands of the rebels or are they currently in Russia?

originally posted by: Zandril
I've been seeing conflicting reports on the news. Are the black boxes in the hands of the rebels or are they currently in Russia?

I didnt realize there was a difference between the 2.

the latest news release from a few posts up suggest they are under the control of the person who is in charge of he Donetsk Peoples Republic for personal "safe keeping".


Rebels to give MH17 black boxes to aviation group, separatist leader says

The black boxes for the downed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 have been found, a Ukraine rebel leader said Sunday.

Alexander Borodai said that the devices would be handed over to the International Civil Aviation Organization.

The announcement came as international investigators and Ukrainian officials said that pro-Russia separatists forced emergency services to surrender the bodies of 196 victims of the plane crash and loaded them onto refrigerated trains bound for a rebel-held city.

Borodai said the bodies would remain in refrigerated containers at a train station in the town of Torez until the arrival of an international aviation delegation.

The surprising, rapid-fire developments Sunday morning came after a wave of international outrage over how the bodies of plane crash victims were being handled and amid fears that the armed rebels who control the territory where the plane came down could be tampering with the evidence.

Click link for remainder of article.

IE Crime scene destruction accomplished

Has any radio HAM operators got anything to say on monitoring this crisis?

I am very sure some radio HAM somewhere is recording a lot.


Lots of radio hobbiests around the world, anybody monitoring ATC's in the region?

What about online sites and recordings?

a reply to: Xcathdra

I see, I should have been more clear. I meant that the Russian Government had them, but you answered me anyways

originally posted by: DaFunk
a reply to: Xcathdra

I dont work for any agencies involved in investigating this incident

Ok, any other agencies perhaps....?

No Agencies, There are only departments