Israeli map says it all.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Haha.. I didn't fight Israel. I'm an American.

Also, you have't proven s**t because it's a fact that an honest Israeli will tell you.

What's a fact? I have posted genetic testing proving it if that is what this is a reference to. Sorry you are one of the many who can not care less about facts.

a reply to: bjarneorn

"governed by a functional government and law."

lol, nice try, as I'm pretty sure most countries in the west(especially America) does NOT have a "functional government and law" according to the real definition of "functional", at best it's very debatable.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The Israelis now in Israel came from completely different parts of the world.

Watch the video I provided.

Also, even if you were right, what would it matter? They try to claim land they allegedly held 3000 years ago by removing people who are currently living there and then continue to claim they have more right to it while they oppress those people?

That's absurd. Palestinians held it for the last 1500 years, jews for the last 60. Palestinians have more right to it. They held it longer and more recently.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Prior to the last 50 odd years it certainly wasn't called Israel anytime in the last thousand years, so stop missing the main point, and that is the Palestinians weren't all shoved on a boat and escorted over to the middle east after WW2 because of some holocaust that many think gave them the right to rape and pillage someone else's land and call it their own, no that would be the Zionist jews.

If you're grandparents/parents were murdered in their home/land by a bunch of genocidal thugs who said they lived on the land 3000 years ago, and your father/mother continued to fight for what was rightfully theirs but also got killed, would you fight back with what little you have?, you'd be a hypocrite if you did, according to your rationale you should just move on and say "oh yeah, sorry about that, my bad, you were right for killing, rapiing, and pillaging all my family and neighbours after all, here take everything you blessed chosen ones"

I'm not sure how people on your wavelength manage to live with themselves let alone others.

a reply to: roth1

I was waiting for someone to post this one, does certainly help put the situation in perspective and makes Israels position much harder to defend in my opinion, this is indeed ethnic cleansing without a doubt.

And no before someone get's stroppy i do not hate all Jewish people, but i am against obvious genocide whether its in Palestine,Iraq,Afghanistan etc.. and i am sorry kids with rocks does not = Air strikes,white phosphorus, an army !!!,tanks and so on, yes i also understand Hamas shooting the odd rocket over the border does not help.

But let me ask who put Hamas into power ?

a reply to: JokerThe1st

Yeah, shooting rockets doesn't appear to help. But look at it this way, what do prisoners do when they are tired of suffering in silence? They riot.

If they didn't shoot those rockets and get the worlds attention, how do you think they'd be treated by Israel?

They are in a very bad situation and it is 100 percent Israels fault.

a reply to: khnum

Negotiations usually work when one has something to negotiate with - which the Palestinians don't have. With regularity now Israel seems to think its OK to carry out a human cull in the vain hope these people will emigrate and go away.

They won't do this because they come from the ancient Phillistines so one could argue they have every right to that land.

I cannot believe we are actually allowing people to claim 'biblical inheritance' in this day and age its beyond the law or common sense and moral justice. One could also look at it as probably the Western governments did, as a means of getting rid of a troublesome group of people after WW2. The Jews have been in and out of that land a few times but do we take the precidence that because my ancestors once lived here, I want this land back. The whole world would be in a terrible pickle if this type of claim were legal and followed through.

Also, not to put too finer a point on it, everything about trhe ancient Hebrews was borrowed from other cultures, and their then priests adapted it to sujit their then purposes as though it were their own history. Their so-called ancient beginnings are a complete hotchpotch from other cultures and many of their so-called heroes were Egyptian with followers from the Jewish community that left Egypt. Further if you couple this with the Ashkenazi immigrants and converts, then the Phillistine claim could well be thought of as purer.

But today its all because Israel is a strategic post for the USA military into the ME, it obviously tests weapons for the USA and any other arms supplier, as well as being a good spy on its neighbours - as indeed they spy on Israel. However it won't be long before the words "War Crimes" get sounded and the whole sorry business, of which my government at the behest of Rothschild started, will have to be dealt with because we don't want other countries carrying out culls because Israel gets away with it without criminal proceedings. People forget the wider repercussions of this sad business.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
That's absurd. Palestinians held it for the last 1500 years, jews for the last 60. Palestinians have more right to it. They held it longer and more recently.

Great show me this 1500 year old Palestinian kingdom and we can be done, I will agree.

originally posted by: Haxsaw
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Prior to the last 50 odd years it certainly wasn't called Israel anytime in the last thousand years, so stop missing the main point, and that is the Palestinians weren't all shoved on a boat and escorted over to the middle east after WW2 because of some holocaust that many think gave them the right to rape and pillage someone else's land and call it their own, no that would be the Zionist jews.

No, YOU are missing the point. It was NEVER Palestinian. It was Ottoman. The British won it in a war, and it became British. Part of the peace treaty gave Israel land. It was agreed upon.

The Arabs were not happy and could not be peaceful, as a result they lost more land, notice a trend? Had the Arab world accepted Israel from 1917 on we would not be in this predicament.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: roth1
Look at the spread of the Israel on Palestinian lands. I would fight back. I think anyone would if it was their country.

potentnews.com...

Can you show me the map where this was the Palestinian country?

I can show you where it used to be. Palestine has been, well, wiped off the face of the Earth...

Believe this one is from the 1936-7 survey. Looks strangely familiar...


Here is a more detailed map (based on the original above), presented in UN Resolution 181:



I believe the older original maps can be found in the report titled the Royal Commission of well, Palestine...

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Uh.. this isn't a secret. Google it. You do realize the Jews came there in the late 40's right?
Who do you think occupied it for the preceding centuries? You realize that the Jewish right to return claims are from around 3000 years ago right? Guess why the didn't pick a more contemporary date? Because the Palestinians have been there for centuries.

a reply to: roth1

I quess the saddest part in all this conflict is knowing that many of these people in Gaza are Christians. I would think we, as a Christian nation, would come to the aid of others of the same faith. This is a large part of why the other Arabs in the Middle-east do not entervien on their behalf. They are kind of like the "step child" which nobody wants.

I was browsing another site earlier and came across this:

[www.washingtonsblog.com...[/url]

While I am not given to accuse some one of setting up a "false flag operation" without some real proof; the prediction of "teen-agers being kidnapped" preceding the actual event by ten days, does give one pause to think.
Could there be some merit to such speculation as a reason to better their position for the off shore gas fields?

originally posted by: teamcommander
a reply to: roth1

I quess the saddest part in all this conflict is knowing that many of these people in Gaza are Christians. I would think we, as a Christian nation, would come to the aid of others of the same faith. This is a large part of why the other Arabs in the Middle-east do not entervien on their behalf. They are kind of like the "step child" which nobody wants.

I was browsing another site earlier and came across this:

[www.washingtonsblog.com...[/url]

While I am not given to accuse some one of setting up a "false flag operation" without some real proof; the prediction of "teen-agers being kidnapped" preceding the actual event by ten days, does give one pause to think.
Could there be some merit to such speculation as a reason to better their position for the off shore gas fields?

Especially since the kidnappers spoke in fluent Hebrew.

If Israel was a dude in nyc getting sweated by the gestapo and they found drugs on his person during the molestation, he can claim all he wants that the pants he's wearing belongs to someone else...

Your boy would be charged anyway, because possession is 9/10 of the law.

Possession of stolen property is 9/10 of the law?

1/10 of the property in question still belongs to the original owner.