Israeli Naval Ship Bombs Palestinian Children on Gaza Beach - Killing Four

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: Spacespider
Dont fool yourself
Islamist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah are Muslim extremist terrorists.. And Israel is just defending itself.
Israel have good reason to bomb Gaza to a hole in the ground, and only Hamas terrorists will let their children play on a beach in the middle of a war zone.

So Israel was defending itself when it bombed sectarian Syrian military units that were fighting Islamofascists inside of Syria a few months ago? This was what, the third or fourth Israeli bombing of Syria is as many years?

Your information is wrong, they bombed Jihadists

a reply to: Spacespider

and only Hamas terrorists will let their children play on a beach in the middle of a war zone.

So was this war zone confined exclusively to the beach? Where should children have gone where they wouldn't have been bombed? Israel has already destroyed thousands of homes. Where do you suggest the children should have gone?

originally posted by: Kram09
a reply to: Spacespider

and only Hamas terrorists will let their children play on a beach in the middle of a war zone.

So was this war zone confined exclusively to the beach? Where should children have gone where they wouldn't have been bombed? Israel has already destroyed thousands of homes. Where do you suggest the children should have gone?

IAF already allowed residents time for evacuation.

And furthermore it all started with a cease-fire, cease-fire expired, with Palestinian militants firing more than 50 rockets at Israel, including a heavy salvo toward the Tel Aviv area that sent people running for cover, the Israeli military said. The military said a rocket fired from Gaza struck the city of Ashkelon at precisely 3 p.m. local time (8 a.m. ET) as the pause in military activity ended. No injuries were reported.

a reply to: Spacespider

IAF already allowed residents time for evacuation.

And furthermore it all started with a cease-fire, cease-fire expired, with Palestinian militants firing more than 50 rockets at Israel, including a heavy salvo toward the Tel Aviv area that sent people running for cover, the Israeli military said. The military said a rocket fired from Gaza struck the city of Ashkelon at precisely 3 p.m. local time (8 a.m. ET) as the pause in military activity ended. No injuries were reported.

That has nothing to do with what I asked. Where exactly did you expect the children to go if you think they shouldn't have been "playing" on the beach in a war zone?

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: CommandoJoe

I know exactly what im talking about. More evidence here to support that statment than your stance. I dont doubt that out of a thousands of rockets sometimes a few hit something ( generally in scarcely populated areas) but in this most recent fighting there hasnt been much and its a droo in the bucket compares to the decimation of gaza. Do a little research on Israels 2008 attack and learn the truly evil nature of the IDF and tgeir govt. Also maybe learn why Israel wants to take out the palestinians so bad (hint its not the piddly rockets).

Also these rockets arent destroyinf tgese structures its the occasional fire from the rockets that do that. Tge rockets arent powerful enough to.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. My stance can be easily verified with a few searches.

You think that Iron Dome hasn't had to intercept many rockets - you say maybe 6 in one day and that is a high #). I have seen with my own eyes much more than that being intercepted in just one day in one Israeli city under attack. Hamas has also improved their aim as of late. More and more rockets are having to be intercepted rather than falling in open areas.

You stated that that the rockets only have a range of 12mi/20km, yet Ashdod (32 miles from Gaza), Rishon Lezion (46 miles from Gaza)Tel Aviv (53 miles from Gaza), Jerusalem (56 miles from Gaza), Hadera (78 miles from Gaza), Zichron Yakov (87 miles from Gaza) have all been hit... How do you explain this if their range is only 12mi? A strong tail wind? Try again...

You also said that they only have 30lbs of explosive - maybe the smallest ones, but the bigger ones that can hit Tel Aviv and beyond can have over 300lbs of explosives... Here's one of their medium size rockets - LINK


Here's your original statements below in case you forgot...

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
The Iron Dome missile defense system has already intercepted several hundred missiles that would have otherwise landed in civilian populated areas, and potentially killed hundreds to thousands of innocent Jewish and Arab Israeli citizens.

But I suppose it would make certain posters feel better about the situation if the IDF would just sit back and let their citizens die needlessly to even the body count.

The Iron Dome system has not had to intercept many rockets (i believe they got 6 one day and thats an average - if not high - number). The rockets don't have much of a range (i think around 12 miles - 20 some km) and they only carry around 30 lbs of explosives - so no you aren't looking at thousands or even hundreds of deaths if one did hit a populated area. Also i takes them at minimum 15 seconds to reach their target and Israel always has sirens and there are public bomb shelters, that can easily take a direct hit, everywhere. A tiny amount of the rockets make it anywhere near populated areas, probably 1 or 2 percent.

And FYI - the sirens don't always work. Occasionally they don't go off at all, and sometimes they sound late after a missile has already been intercepted - This warning system is not perfect.

a reply to: CommandoJoe

You have seen in a day with your own eyes. Cool. I am repeating the number the IDF gave.

I guess you are completely right, that's why their are mountains of dead Israelis.
I also guess you wouldn't be completely biased either.

You can disagree with me, but you know that I am not wrong. If they had such military might then I would guess they would be able to inflict a little more damage.

Also I am right about the Iron Dome. They only intercept when rockets are aiming towards populated areas which isn't very often. I would say the sirens and warnings come an extreme majority of the time since they are always watching for this specific type of attack and they are fairly slow moving rockets.

The warning system may not be perfect, but with one dead Israeli after thousands of rockets I would say the combination of the good warning system and bad technology makes it fairly safe.

None of this changes the fact that Israel is using cruise missiles and guided ordinance to fly bombs right into children playing on beaches, killing children by striking when classes let out, and hitting homes.

Nothing about what Israel is doing is justified. It's hard to trust your eyes and what you've seen with them if you can't see that.

a reply to: Spacespider

No. The cease fire ended with Hamas firing three extremely short range mortars.

Gave them time to evacuate? To where!

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: Spacespider
Dont fool yourself
Islamist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah are Muslim extremist terrorists.. And Israel is just defending itself.
Israel have good reason to bomb Gaza to a hole in the ground, and only Hamas terrorists will let their children play on a beach in the middle of a war zone.

So Israel was defending itself when it bombed sectarian Syrian military units that were fighting Islamofascists inside of Syria a few months ago? This was what, the third or fourth Israeli bombing of Syria is as many years?

Your information is wrong, they bombed Jihadists

Excuse me? They bombed Syrian military units and outposts, killing many soldiers. All because a mortar from the Syrian side landed in Israeli occupied territory in the Golan Heights.

Oh yeah, surely you have not forgotten that Israel took land from Syria as well.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
Nothing about what Israel is doing is justified.

Very wrong actually, but we can see you just want Israel to be a punching bag when any terrorists attack it, not being able to defend itself. You like it when the Hamas terrorists attack Israel, you do not like it when Israel defends itself by attacking Hamas terrorists, who are well known for using human shields and hiding their rocket launchers amongst civilians.

originally posted by: Spacespider
Dont fool yourself
Islamist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah are Muslim extremist terrorists.. And Israel is just defending itself.
Israel have good reason to bomb Gaza to a hole in the ground, and only Hamas terrorists will let their children play on a beach in the middle of a war zone.

This is absurd. They are not religious extremists. If you were pushed into a prison and your oppressors kept chipping away at the little land you had left and you had no way to show the world what was happening... what would you do? What would you do to try to stop it?

They are trying to get the worlds attention.

Also, another absurd statement you made to justify the death of children.
It's not a warzone it was a beach in front of a resort where foreign journalists were staying. A wide open beach. So you say they shouldn't have been playing there, but you don't think that Israelis shouldn't guide bombs into targets that are easily identifiable as kids. Believe this.. they knew they were kids. They didn't shoot shells that close to foreign journalists without identifying their targets.

They are in a prison, they probably felt safer in the wide open beach then in a house Israeli could claim militants were hiding in.

You need to do a little research.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
Nothing about what Israel is doing is justified.

Very wrong actually, but we can see you just want Israel to be a punching bag when any terrorists attack it, not being able to defend itself. You like it when the Hamas terrorists attack Israel, you do not like it when Israel defends itself by attacking Hamas terrorists, who are well known for using human shields and hiding their rocket launchers amongst civilians.

Haha.. i guess you tell me what I like and what I don't like.

Nice try, but I don't play into that game. It's like trying to play the race card.

Israel is not justified in using guided ordinance on children. They are not justified in attacking a city under their control that can not evenly defend itself with jets and guided missiles. They know why Hamas is shooting rockets and it isn't to hurt Israel or kill Israelis. Its to get the worlds attention to show what their oppressors are doing and to stop them from abusing them and taking more of their land.

You are wrong. There is nothing justified about what they are doing. If they want to bomb Palestinians like they are an attacking foreign nation then they should allow them that status and make them an attacking foreign nation. They don't want to do that though because they want to control them and they want to lay claim to their natural resources. They have their cake and are eating it too.

They cry and act out of spite when anyone recognizes Palestinian states, but then when they throw rocks or lob rockets across they attack them like they are an independent state.

I really don't expect you to understand though.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
Nothing about what Israel is doing is justified.

Very wrong actually, but we can see you just want Israel to be a punching bag when any terrorists attack it, not being able to defend itself. You like it when the Hamas terrorists attack Israel, you do not like it when Israel defends itself by attacking Hamas terrorists, who are well known for using human shields and hiding their rocket launchers amongst civilians.

Haha.. i guess you tell me what I like and what I don't like.

Nice try, but I don't play into that game. It's like trying to play the race card.

Israel is not justified in using guided ordinance on children. They are not justified in attacking a city under their control that can not evenly defend itself with jets and guided missiles. They know why Hamas is shooting rockets and it isn't to hurt Israel or kill Israelis. Its to get the worlds attention to show what their oppressors are doing and to stop them from abusing them and taking more of their land.

You are wrong. There is nothing justified about what they are doing. If they want to bomb Palestinians like they are an attacking foreign nation then they should allow them that status and make them an attacking foreign nation. They don't want to do that though because they want to control them and they want to lay claim to their natural resources. They have their cake and are eating it too.

They cry and act out of spite when anyone recognizes Palestinian states, but then when they throw rocks or lob rockets across they attack them like they are an independent state.

I really don't expect you to understand though.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow

originally posted by: Spacespider
Dont fool yourself
Islamist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah are Muslim extremist terrorists.. And Israel is just defending itself.
Israel have good reason to bomb Gaza to a hole in the ground, and only Hamas terrorists will let their children play on a beach in the middle of a war zone.

This is absurd. They are not religious extremists. If you were pushed into a prison and your oppressors kept chipping away at the little land you had left and you had no way to show the world what was happening... what would you do? What would you do to try to stop it?

They are trying to get the worlds attention.

Also, another absurd statement you made to justify the death of children.
It's not a warzone it was a beach in front of a resort where foreign journalists were staying. A wide open beach. So you say they shouldn't have been playing there, but you don't think that Israelis shouldn't guide bombs into targets that are easily identifiable as kids. Believe this.. they knew they were kids. They didn't shoot shells that close to foreign journalists without identifying their targets.

They are in a prison, they probably felt safer in the wide open beach then in a house Israeli could claim militants were hiding in.

You need to do a little research.

I am sure everyone in Gaza knows Israel is shooting at them, why would the parents let the children play on the beach.

And yes the Islamic terrorists are hiding, that´s why they are proceeding with land troops to reduce civilian casualties, this is war casualties not only children are dying in wars, but most people tend to focus on that.
It´s not like they are aiming for all the children.

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originally posted by: Vovin
Oh yeah, surely you have not forgotten that Israel took land from Syria as well.

Won in a war when Syria attacked Israel... as has happened all over the world!

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
They are not religious extremists.

Yes they are, they use suicide bombers, claim their religion is the only true religion and have vowed to destroy Israel.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
They are not justified in attacking a city under their control that can not evenly defend itself with jets and guided missiles.

Yes they are justified in stopping the attacks by Hamas terrorists, but you expect Israel just to take whatever the Hamas terrorists throw at it.

They know why Hamas is shooting rockets

Well, Hamas have vowed to destroy Israel, so we know why they are attacking Israel.

and taking more of their land.

What land has Israel taken from the Gaza strip?

I really don't expect you to understand though.

Oh, we do understand, you support the Hamas terrorists attacking Israel.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Vovin
Oh yeah, surely you have not forgotten that Israel took land from Syria as well.

Won in a war when Syria attacked Israel... as has happened all over the world!

So did God tell Israel that the Golan Heights were part of the Zionist holy land also or was it just a case of Israel pursuing an aggressive imperialist agenda?

originally posted by: Vovin
So did God tell Israel that the Golan Heights were part of the Zionist holy land also or was it just a case of Israel pursuing an aggressive imperialist agenda?

No, it was being used to constantly attack Israel, and after Syria invaded Israel Israel took it to stop being attacked from it.

a reply to: hellobruce

Nope. I don't support Hamas at all.

I just really hate to see the fascist government of Israel and the terrorist group of the IDF kill innocent people.

They are constantly bulldozing Palestinian settlements along the tiny remaining bits of "Palestinian" land.
They just keep whittling away. You know it and I know it. Everyone knows it.

Hamas isn't trying to destroy Israel. They aren't stupid enough to think their tactics will have any effect except for to bring world attention on them and that's what they need to keep Israel the least bit in check. What ironic is Israel and some of it's citizens can't help but show their blood thirst and fascism by killing children and admitting on camera they they are fascist (an Israeli citizen admitted such a thing on camera a few days back).

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
They are not religious extremists.

Yes they are, they use suicide bombers, claim their religion is the only true religion and have vowed to destroy Israel.

That is an extreme rarity and has very little to do with religion and everything to do with hopelessness. A despair caused by Israel's government and IDF.