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originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: knoledgeispower
Honestly I think you're beating a dead horse that doesn't exist.
Sorry if that offends anyone but it seems that this omniscience stuff is really simply a way to put off having to make a decision for yourself.
Really, get a backbone and actually look at reality. Then make your own decision.
originally posted by: igloo
Fabulous insight! And a very challenging one.
My religious relatives lives are like runaway trains on a very steep slope and they pray feverishly rather than analyze their behaviour. None of the non religious have dug nearly such deep holes.
Hope you don't mind if I present your perspective to them, with all due credit to you.... Oh I can't wait...it'll be so fun!
originally posted by: Belcastro
whell theres a difference when you pray repeatedly to saints and virgin mary (jesus said to not do this specifically.)
And praying to God directly.
Sometimes prayers are answered. but you have to ask yourself if those prayers are worth being answered also.
just the other day i was praying to God and he made it rain on me without any clouds in the sky, i was baffled.
It has to be important for God to answer a prayer;
It has to be on the same level of jesus praying on the mountain; and he may not respond in a way that you'd Understand.
Also it may be a long time for a prayer to be answered.
Once, one of the first people to widespread the Bible in languages other than latin was excuted by A king; and his last words were asking the Lord to open the Kings eyes. Three years later the same king authorized a New Translation of the bible from the original languages.
Jesus said to pray to your father in secret and your father hears you in secret.
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not so short That it cannot save; Nor is His ear so dull That it cannot hear. But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.
If you seperate yourself from God By your iniquities then he will not hear you.
In order to overcome this; One must be heavily studied in the Bible; and Be as least of a sinner as you can.
of course we all make mistakes, and God is said to be the most merciful and Forgiving entity in all of existence;
But there is a difference between Sin and a deadly Sin; if you catch my drift.
god is Just, and hes angry with the wicked every day.
As Christians we are Called to lead by example, and to follow in the footsteps of christ, and try to live a life as he did as much as we can. and if you truly try your hardest, then it will be worth it.
You have to love your enemies, do good to those that do you harm, forgive others of their trespasses, When struck you must turn the other cheek as well. Not many people can actually do this. So, i would say that its both. Sacreligious and Completely in line with the Religion. it just depends on who you are, by means of what you've done, and what your asking God.
originally posted by: violet
No.
If though, you are praying selfishly, asking for things like a greedy bustard it might be!
Or, if you only talk to him when you want something, you're being a user.
originally posted by: knoledgeispower
originally posted by: Belcastro
whell theres a difference when you pray repeatedly to saints and virgin mary (jesus said to not do this specifically.)
And praying to God directly.
Sometimes prayers are answered. but you have to ask yourself if those prayers are worth being answered also.
just the other day i was praying to God and he made it rain on me without any clouds in the sky, i was baffled.
It has to be important for God to answer a prayer;
It has to be on the same level of jesus praying on the mountain; and he may not respond in a way that you'd Understand.
Also it may be a long time for a prayer to be answered.
Once, one of the first people to widespread the Bible in languages other than latin was excuted by A king; and his last words were asking the Lord to open the Kings eyes. Three years later the same king authorized a New Translation of the bible from the original languages.
Jesus said to pray to your father in secret and your father hears you in secret.
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not so short That it cannot save; Nor is His ear so dull That it cannot hear. But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.
If you seperate yourself from God By your iniquities then he will not hear you.
In order to overcome this; One must be heavily studied in the Bible; and Be as least of a sinner as you can.
of course we all make mistakes, and God is said to be the most merciful and Forgiving entity in all of existence;
But there is a difference between Sin and a deadly Sin; if you catch my drift.
god is Just, and hes angry with the wicked every day.
As Christians we are Called to lead by example, and to follow in the footsteps of christ, and try to live a life as he did as much as we can. and if you truly try your hardest, then it will be worth it.
You have to love your enemies, do good to those that do you harm, forgive others of their trespasses, When struck you must turn the other cheek as well. Not many people can actually do this. So, i would say that its both. Sacreligious and Completely in line with the Religion. it just depends on who you are, by means of what you've done, and what your asking God.
It doesn't matter who you are praying to, the fact is that you are asking God, who is all knowing and has planned all your events in your life, to change something just because you don't like it. You are essentially telling him he's wrong even though he is all knowing. That to me sounds sacrilegious, what do you think about that?
Oh God is so omnipotent. Where in the bible does it say that?
Oh God is so omniscient. Again Where?
god is all knowing and has a plan for you.
Common misconception: God does not Unconditionally Love you.
originally posted by: knoledgeispower
originally posted by: violet
No.
If though, you are praying selfishly, asking for things like a greedy bustard it might be!
Or, if you only talk to him when you want something, you're being a user.
For example:
You pray for your Dad not to die because he has cancer. You are essentially saying to an all knowing God "sorry your plans suck, do by bidding my instead"
What about that?
originally posted by: knoledgeispower
My question to those who pray (whatever religion you belong to), do you think that prayer is sacrilegious?