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You should feel lucky that you don't get banned from this web site, telling people they are going to hell for having an opinion.
. . . when their fellow pastor across the street was professing something else!
This is what you are doing here at ATS, daily.
The discussion disclaimer being, "For entertainment purposes only".
Do you see why "private judgment" of the written Word is heresy?
I think you may need to focus a bit because your reply does not even seem to be on the topic.
No...not at all..Christ is the fruit..first fruits.of them that slept.,
The "heathen" did not have a good grasp on proper morality, for example they thought it was perfectly fine to attack a neighboring city under some pretext, to overrun it if they could, and loot it for gain. Or it was just good society to throw drunken parties that ended up in orgies.
...faith verses Faith. For even the heathen have faith..and try to establish righteousness...and free themselves from sin.
The faith as Paul describes this way of life with Christ, is based on the fact of his very existence as a living person despite being put to death by wicked hands, because he was righteous in the eyes of God and was raised from the dead to witness to that heavenly vindication.
Faith is because of His blood..and this awareness in our hearts of for whom He Shed His Saving Blood. Our righteousness is His Righteousness...not ours.
We will always be sinners..we cannot get away from sin in our body of flesh.
All this is just theory about things like the hypothetical "original sin".
Jesus was born of a woman..but not just any woman..a woman who knew not a man. For it is known that sin passes down the line of the man..not the woman. This is why he had to be born of a woman who knew not a man. That he could be born blameless...without sin. How we are born into this world as compared to Jesus means nothing.
How do you know that all that is not also just so much "tradition"?
I have been referring to and contrasting what is known as the "Traditions of Men" verses what the instructions from God were through Moses also known as The Law. Not just Traditions.
I don't think that people will be putting blood on themselves as if this is supposed to somehow make them righteous.
The only way this will happen is if when we stand before God He sees the Blood of Jesus covering us. For if He sees any other blood..on us...we are doomed. Not of works lest any man boast. We do not try to commit sin...or go after the ways of this world...but nonetheless...when we stand before God...none of our works are sufficient...But His Blood is more than Sufficient. For He is our Earnest Hope.
originally posted by: colbe
God wants you to become Catholic.
Now it seems you're denying the Blessed Trinity. ???
God is going to ask you personally, could be 2017, maybe sooner.
This happened a long time ago with the Catholic Church adopting the old pagan rituals of the Romans to where they pretend that they can offer Jesus' blood as if they somehow owned it and were giving it to God, bit by bit.
..they would like to replace this Light with light and His Blood with their blood and sacrifice.
This is pretty pessimistic, and in my opinion, unfounded.
The Blood War..or Ever War is the war which has been going on since the Garden of Eden...unto today.
The Gospel is not for everyone..it is for His people whom he separate out from the rest of the world. The Gospel is for them. Most of the world would like to get rid of the Gospel...this is clear in secular circles in particular. And in process of time the secular world will want to get rid of His people as well. The Gospel is certainly not for the fallen nor for those following the religion of the Fallen.
What is that?
I am talking about one blood line here..
That sort of thinking does not apply in the New Testament.
be ye separate sayeth the Lord
There is not somehow another god out there pretending to be a different god than who he really is.
...and their god..the counterfeiter
Jesus did not literally give his blood to some sort of deity who demanded payment in blood to satisfy a supposed "sin debt".
Wow!! Negative. This Blood is what was given for us..and cannot be duplicated by any tradition of men. This is not metaphor...particularly when contrasted by the traditions of men and how they would whore us out to cheap substitutes...man made traditions.
This became clear to me when reading John Foxx and his Book of Martyrs.
It seemed like you were connecting that to "bloodlines", whatever that is.
This is what is meant by he was perfect in his generations.
The Masoretic version of the Old Testament was created after the New Testament was created, that was in the era that the Talmud was written, so would have been adjusted to fit that philosophy, while the Septuagint existed before that, so you have about a 600 year gap where changes to the Masoretic could be made.
Jesus and The Word..never used the Talmud and in fact spoke against it if you know how to read His Word. Nor do you find other esoteric traditions of men in His Word.
Sorry, didn't notice that, so thanks for the head's up. I posted the address to my blog on my profile wall page.
I sent you a U2U a few days ago.
Here is me commenting on my own post as a sort of explanation as to how I know this sort of thing.
. . . analogy between Jesus and a High Priest, where a priest would carry blood with him into the Most Holy place on the Day of Atonement, where Jesus entered Heaven through his own offering . . .
originally posted by: colbe
a reply to: nenothtu
nenothtu,
You know I would "show up here." I love you, I love, I love you! To read your words:
"Now, if as you say at some point God asks me personally, then I'll consider it. Not until then. As of right now,God absolutely does not want me to become Catholic."
This is what I wish and pray for, God sends the grace. Oh this marvelous day coming, Revelation 6:17 calls it a "great day." God is going to try (free will) and convince everyone on the earth.
originally posted by: colbe
Only God would say this, the reason the Jews wanted to kill Our Lord, they did not believe He is God.
How does Jesus deal with the Sabbath?
Jesus observes the Sabbath, but at the same time he deals with it very liberally, as one who has complete command over it: "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath" (Mk 2:27).
The fact that Jesus claims the right to heal on the Sabbath and to interpret the Sabbath laws mercifully poses a dilemma for his Jewish contemporaries: Either Jesus is the Messiah sent by God, which makes him "Lord even of the sabbath" (Mk 2:28), or else he is merely a man, in which case his actions on the Sabbath are a sin against the Law.
originally posted by: nenothtu
originally posted by: colbe
a reply to: nenothtu
nenothtu,
You know I would "show up here." I love you, I love, I love you! To read your words:
"Now, if as you say at some point God asks me personally, then I'll consider it. Not until then. As of right now,God absolutely does not want me to become Catholic."
This is what I wish and pray for, God sends the grace. Oh this marvelous day coming, Revelation 6:17 calls it a "great day." God is going to try (free will) and convince everyone on the earth.
Colbe, you already know that I'm a bit of a strange bird when it comes to nearly everything I believe, and the concept of "free will" is no exception. What I believe concerning "free will" is really pretty involved, but the basics are that I believe free will as applied to mortals and their relations with God to be limited. In other words, I believe one can "kick against the goad" for as long as one likes, that one can run from God as hard as one wants to, but in the end will only find that one has run in a complete circle, right back to where God wanted you to be in the first place.
As they used to say in sniper circles, "you can run, but you'll only die tired". Some things are inevitable, impossible to escape.
I believe this because I think it illogical to think that I, as a mere mortal, can ever thwart the will of a God. What God wills will prevail. Although we can try to escape "heaven" for as long and as hard as we like, in the end God wins, and we will be wherever God wants us to be.
Told you I believe strange things - but then you already knew that, eh?
I think you have that backwards.
Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins...is the Sabbath..we rest in Him.
Can you explain how this is different from what Rex was saying?
I believe this because I think it illogical to think that I, as a mere mortal, can ever thwart the will of a God. What God wills will prevail. Although we can try to escape "heaven" for as long and as hard as we like, in the end God wins, and we will be wherever God wants us to be.
originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: jmdewey60
Why believe that people should have to be able to give a lecture on specific details of your beliefs in order to get to heaven? That sounds very weird.
I think it should be more important to understand to the best of your ability what is really true concerning God and His People and how that affects you in the afterlife... but I think what is most important is LIVING your faith. Not just believing it, and certainly not necessary to recite pre-proggrammed ideas, but LIVING what ever it is that you believe.
Just my personal opinion.
If most people really believed what they professed, they would live a much different life.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: orangetom1999I think you have that backwards.
Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins...is the Sabbath..we rest in Him.
Hebrews says that there remains a rest.
The Israelites in the wilderness had a goal, which was the promised land, which would have been their rest, but almost all of them died in the wilderness, never making it to that rest.
We as Christians, have before us a rest if we make it to our goal.
It isn't saying we can rest now, but just the opposite.
We as Christians, have before us a rest if we make it to our goal.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: nenothtuCan you explain how this is different from what Rex was saying?
I believe this because I think it illogical to think that I, as a mere mortal, can ever thwart the will of a God. What God wills will prevail. Although we can try to escape "heaven" for as long and as hard as we like, in the end God wins, and we will be wherever God wants us to be.
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
I think that we are based on some sort of entity that we can't understand exactly from our viewpoint of the physical existence that we are living in.
Whatever that thing is that we are, the thing that we hope to live on in some manner after this physicality is over with for whatever duration, it has a will, the same will that caused us to be these physical beings in the first place.
I don't think that we were forced to be these persons whether we liked it or not.
I might seem like the most cynical person in the world but I think God is here to help us, and not that we are here to provide amusement for God.
Do I think that makes us God? No, but it places on us a responsibility for ourselves and what we do.
We can put ourselves in hell, if we want, and God will let it be, if it is by our own choosing.
It doesn't have anything to do with being saved but is the distinguishing doctrine of the church.
Why believe that people should have to be able to give a lecture on specific details of your beliefs in order to get to heaven? That sounds very weird.
Your judgment would fit that description, and that was the SDA interpretation of the Heavenly Temple scenes in Hebrews.
I think it should be more important to understand to the best of your ability what is really true concerning God and His People and how that affects you in the afterlife...
Maybe you don't know any Seventh Day Adventists.
but I think what is most important is LIVING your faith. Not just believing it, and certainly not necessary to recite pre-proggrammed ideas, but LIVING what ever it is that you believe.
Believe me, Adventists do.
If most people really believed what they professed, they would live a much different life.