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So in other words you don't believe the president has a responsibility to keep the border secure?
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Bilk22
I respect all of that and pretty much have the same stand on those issues. How do you feel about the border issue? Is there justification in criticizing Obama for that debacle?
First, I am not going to fault any human being for trying to have a better life. For themselves or family.
This goes way back, long before Obama. There used to be a migrant worker program. Worked great. Everyone was happy. Farmers got their crops harvested, their kids got to go to school (migrant school program), they sent money home to family, and went back home after the harvest season. Then some politician, I think in Texas, used "stealing jobs from Americans" as her platform. She won. Migrant work program shut down. Migrants have no work. Produce rotting in field because farmers couldn't find workers. I know there was/is a guest worker program in the works, but it's difficult to find an unbiased opinion on it. So that's part of the problem.
I'm of the mind "Children should not suffer or be blamed for stupid adults".
I think right now what is happening is correct. House them, keep them safe. I also agree with not allowing politicians and their cameras in. These children don't need to be used for anymore political fodder then they already are. I also agree with Obama about not making this a photo OP.
The Republicans need to knock off their childish stonewalling behavior and work with Obama to come up with a workable solution.
I live on the border. I know first hand how much work and added security, both in man power and procedures has gone into closing the border.
Both Bush and Obama have increased border protection.
I get really tired of the "back porch" whiners that really have no clue, don't really care what the facts are, and offer no solution other then send them back.
We already have laws and the president isn't enforcing them. People have been waiting for years to legally enter this country. Where's your sense of fairness and decency?
originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Bilk22
I think our government needs to work together on the border problem. ALL OUR GOVERNMENT.
This should not be a bi-partisan issue used to blame the opposition or promote one side over the other.
I'm very pissed off at the behavior of the Republicans with their childish stonewall behavior. Absolutely!
If you want blame, blame everyone.
originally posted by: Bilk22
We already have laws and the president isn't enforcing them. People have been waiting for years to legally enter this country. Where's your sense of fairness and decency?
originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Bilk22
I think our government needs to work together on the border problem. ALL OUR GOVERNMENT.
This should not be a bi-partisan issue used to blame the opposition or promote one side over the other.
I'm very pissed off at the behavior of the Republicans with their childish stonewall behavior. Absolutely!
If you want blame, blame everyone.
I know he hasn't shut the border down. What else should I know? Oh that he was shooting pool instead of attending to a disaster in the making? Ah Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Our guy shoots pool.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Bilk22
We already have laws and the president isn't enforcing them. People have been waiting for years to legally enter this country. Where's your sense of fairness and decency?
originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Bilk22
I think our government needs to work together on the border problem. ALL OUR GOVERNMENT.
This should not be a bi-partisan issue used to blame the opposition or promote one side over the other.
I'm very pissed off at the behavior of the Republicans with their childish stonewall behavior. Absolutely!
If you want blame, blame everyone.
If you want me to blame Obama, forget it.
This is something that needs to be solved -- not bickered over. And definitely Not used as a political tool.
Work together, get it done.
Have you researched what Obama has done or tried to do? As far as I know there are more BP agents on the border then ever before.
Border is more secure, but not to everyone's satisfaction
Following a trend initiated by Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, the Obama administration has added more border patrol agents, fencing and detection technology to prevent border crossings.
Last year the number of apprehensions near the border (340,000) was the lowest since 1971. That's in contrast to slightly more than 1 million apprehensions, the number in 2005.
As we reported last year, personnel and other resources to stop illegal crossings of the U.S.-Mexico border have increased dramatically in recent years. One vivid statistic from Homeland Security: The number of border patrol officers more than doubled from about 10,000 to about 21,000 between 2004 and 2012
www.politifact.com...
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
....No one has yet given specifics of how Obama has exceeded his authority, as Cheney claims. And each time I ask, all I hear is crickets.
originally posted by: EverydayInVA
WOW some people are so thick it's unfreakingbelievable. We already provide more that twice the foreign aid of ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
The United States is notorious for having its fingers in many pies. One of the ways Uncle Sam tries to coerce other states to get in line with his preferred policies is by doling out foreign aid -- lots of it.
The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) states that its function is to provide "economic, development and humanitarian assistance around the world in support of the foreign policy goals of the United States." While the effectiveness of foreign aid remains up for debate, the United States recently has continued to pump around $50 billion in aid to other countries each year.
In terms of the absolute value of aid given, the United States is the world's top donor by far.
originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: _BoneZ_
Dick Chaney needs to STFU, now! This war criminal ought to be behind bars. Why on Earth ANYONE would listen to this proven liar is beyond me - a question that can only be answered by FOX'NEWS', I suspect.
originally posted by: loam
a reply to: Annee
Why would "per capita" be meaningful, when all it does is penalize based upon population size and does nothing to account for ability to pay?
originally posted by: Annee
So, you're offering me excuses, rather then post the information.
Post the information, let others decide if Per Capita matters.