Russia threatens Ukraine after shell crosses border

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Now is this not what Russia did in Crimea, because that would be considered an invasion by the definition of invasion?

Russia has not failed to give up its Navy base is Syria despite all the invasions going on there. I do not know what will happen with Crimea, the navy base there is also important for Russia.

a reply to: kwakakev

Russia has failed to give up its Navy base is Syria despite all the invasions going on there. I do not know what will happen with Crimea, the navy base there is also important for Russia.

The problem is Russia had a base they used...

As part of the agreements, Russia annually paid the Ukrainian government $526.5 million for the base, as well as writing off $97.75 million of Kiev’s debt for the right to use Ukrainian waters and radio frequencies, and to compensate for the Black Sea Fleet’s environmental impact. The Russian Navy was allowed to station up to 25,000 troops, 24 artillery systems, 132 armored vehicles and 22 military planes on the territory of Crimea in addition to the vessels.

rt.com...

They did this so they wouldn't have to pay.

Looks like if you want get out of an agreement, all you have to do is Annex something that belongs to the other party in the agreement.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

If Russia loses Crimea they lose the black sea. If the shoe was on the other foot, it is like Russia setting up a Navy base in Cuba to have NATO set up a navy base in Crimea.

If the Ukraine is undergoing some ethnic cleansing there is a bit more to think about than a few dollars.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: tsurfer2000h
If Russia loses Crimea they lose the black sea.

rubbish - they have a perfectly good naval base at Novorossysk - it is actually a bigger harbor than Sevastopol.

a reply to: kwakakev

If Russia loses Crimea they lose the black sea. If the shoe was on the other foot, it is like Russia setting up a Navy base in Cuba to have NATO set up a navy base in Crimea.

They never were going to lose the Black Sea...

in the Russian and Ukrainian media, was a treaty between Ukraine and Russia whereby the Russian lease on naval facilities in Crimea would be extended beyond 2017 by 25 years (to 2042) with an additional 5 year renewal option (to 2047) in exchange for a multiyear discounted contract to provide Ukraine with Russian natural gas.[6] The agreement, signed on 21 April 2010 in Kharkiv, Ukraine, by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Russian President Dimitry Medvedev and ratified by the parliaments of the two countries on 27 April 2010, aroused much controversy in Ukraine. The treaty was a continuation of a treaty signed in 1997 between the two nations. Shortly after the (disputed) March 2014 accession of Crimea to the Russian Federation[7] Russia unilateral terminated the treaty on March 31, 2014.[8][9]

en.wikipedia.org...

Putin just didn't want to pay the rent, so he took it over pretty simple, because now he has what he wants and is distancing himself away from the rest of Ukraine.

Lol. I'm American and I'm ashamed of all these fellow 'Americans' shouting all this BS about Russia and never stopping and looking at how many countries we've invaded for, in REALITY, no real good reason other than buddies from Yale or Harvard profiting from it, the same 'buddies' running this country. Talk about a joke, and we wonder why the world hates us? If you all have such a problem with Russia, get off your large GMO asses sitting behind a monitor and take it up with them on their borders, otherwise it is none of the US's buisness.

a reply to: kwakakev

If the Ukraine is undergoing some ethnic cleansing there is a bit more to think about than a few dollars.

You may not like this but...

Russia is the only country doing the ethnic cleansing, by doing it to the Tartars in Crimea.

a reply to: Flesh699

'Americans' shouting all this BS about Russia and never stopping and looking at how many countries we've invaded for, in REALITY, no real good reason other than buddies from Yale or Harvard profiting from it, the same 'buddies' running this country

Just because someone is an american that doesn't mean he has to agree with what the government does.

And that still doesn't give Putin the right to do what he did in Ukraine.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

They seem to ignore the fact the US has not annexed any countries. I find it humorous they keep coming back to the US argument though. It means they have no counter argument so the only way to respond is to try and change the topic.

The US / EU / West did not invade Ukraine, Russia did.

originally posted by: Hellas
a reply to: DodgyDawg

I can see (and tell you) that there was an invasion of crimea several months ago by Russia which lead to annexation of the area into Russian control.

When did that take place??? By invasion you mean the democratic election they had in Crimea?

By Democratic election you mean the one where Russia mistakenly admitted only 15% of the population voted in favor of it?

Only 30% of the population voted, and only half voted in favor of it.

Putin's 'Human Rights Council' Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results
www.forbes.com... for-annexation/

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

They seem to ignore the fact the US has not annexed any countries. I find it humorous they keep coming back to the US argument though. It means they have no counter argument so the only way to respond is to try and change the topic.

The US / EU / West did not invade Ukraine, Russia did.

Logical fallacies are the last breath of a dying argument.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I wonder what happened to all the pro russia posters that joined ATS? Maybe they are not needed anymore.

a reply to: SubTruth

were they ever really pro-Russia .. or just anti-America.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: SubTruth

were they ever really pro-Russia .. or just anti-America.

The way the talking points were laid out verbatim, by poster after poster all from the same Russian sources, I would say it's safe to bet that they were not your normal "anti American" trolls..

originally posted by: clay2 baraka

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: SubTruth

were they ever really pro-Russia .. or just anti-America.

The way the talking points were laid out verbatim, by poster after poster all from the same Russian sources, I would say it's safe to bet that they were not your normal "anti American" trolls..

Well I am not surprised. I tended to just ignore them and really did not read their replies. People like that are pointless to respond to.

Ukraine Reporter
‏@StateOfUkraine
Tymchuk: there's no question that Russia has invaded E #Ukraine; heavy weapons are now manned by reg Russian troops

Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine · 20m
#Ukraine is now intensifying its military campaign in #Luhansk reportedly in response to recent influx of regular Russian troops/armor there

ter ‏@StateOfUkraine now
#Ukraine is using fighter jet escorts because it's on high alert for Russian jets conducting airstrikes/intercepting UA ground attack planes

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a reply to: cerbium

Aaaah! Twitter, that bastion of truthful and accurate news! Seriously? Twitter?

I am in shock that anyone would use Twitter as a news source, given the known flooding of feeds by government agencies!

a reply to: Britguy

Where else should one acquire their news from when the whole world is talking about Israel murdering innocent children , got any sources?