Agnostic thought, god a non-conscious being?

The universe is endless with infinite possibilities so the answer is yes to everything god is big ,god is small , god is everywhere and yet nowhere, I believe you are your own god, so ask yourself what kind of god do you want to be ? And you will find the answer your looking for

a reply to: rickymouse
It can exist with the belief that the natural process of the "creator" has malevolent intents...well that's the man manipulated part of it. It just shakes the grounds for their "what's next" belief. The conscious part can only be a connecting factor if every living entity on earth were connected to it. If just one were disconnected it should/would/could send ripples disturbing its conscientious connection.

To me implying that human intelligence couldn't coexist collectively with all life as we know sends the implication that the creator didn't have co-existence in mind, or didn't know what was created!

a reply to: KnowledgeSeeker81

The Muslims have a story, I think from Hadith, which says that in the beginning, God ordered everything that would ever happen be written down in some cosmic book, its already all decided. That paints a very different picture than the personal God many people believe in, which is eagerly awaiting your decisions on a day to day basis as to whether you sin or not. It paints a picture of life where everything was meant to happen exactly as it has.

Its a challenging picture, but I think its one worth thinking about. Maybe a lot of the hard stuff in life is meant to be.

originally posted by: Goldenwilys
The universe is endless with infinite possibilities so the answer is yes to everything god is big ,god is small , god is everywhere and yet nowhere, I believe you are your own god, so ask yourself what kind of god do you want to be ? And you will find the answer your looking for

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That answer is too simplistic, myself, I'm smart. I'm a wasted brain, I want to evolve mankind to the next level, yet lack the resources, funding, and knowledge to do so. I've got great idea's, but apparently so did America in 2003 with Iraq.

God is everything is an answer, but then we get the question what is god?

This is why I didn't elaborate my thoughts in depth in the OP, I want some feedback on this idea!

a reply to: tridentblue
The Muslim I spoke with tonight didn't go in depth in his religion, simply stating his belief and his comment. I didn't go into my beliefs, however we both were able to realize the 2 party system in the US is a joke!

I'm tempted to delve more into religion simply for the factual basis of it, never to conform to it's ideas. i would love to be the one to tell any(insert religion here) they are wrong by their own texts, I just lack the motivation to learn that knowledge.

a reply to: KnowledgeSeeker81

I think you have a good idea, its absolutely powerful to study religion. Heck, look at the Muslims: A few weeks ago I was talking to people from East Asia about how so many of the countries out their have hard core Islamized (like Indonesia), and some months before that I was talking to people who were saying the same about sub-Saharan Africa. IF you break out your globe, that's a HUGE swatch of the world from Africa to east Asia, and its all pretty new, that faith is spreading rapidly.

Meanwhile, we Americans are walking around in a spiritual void for the most part, while Islam spreads globally.

Religion is powerful. Its the meaning of life for many people, its the dignity in the really hard times life throws at us. It has shaped all poltical and world affairs in the past, and realistically, it will continue to do so hundreds of years into the future.

originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: KnowledgeSeeker81


Religion is powerful. Its the meaning of life for many people, its the dignity in the really hard times life throws at us. It has shaped all poltical and world affairs in the past, and realistically, it will continue to do so hundreds of years into the future.

Which is why I ask such a powerful question! Notice the religious fanatics have not flown here in coops despite the word "agnostic" in the title? This is something they can agree with that shakes the religious grounds of ruh roh.

a reply to: KnowledgeSeeker81

Those were my thoughts on the idea. If you wish to call it preaching, that is your prerogative.

a reply to: Grimpachi

As far as the God thing sure he could be oblivious to our universe but then you have to ask whats the point in even acknowledging a god.

Something to feel grateful to.

Something to blame.

Something to make you feel more closely connected with everything.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Well, to me a part of god is the collective consciousness of this world.

Only small problem in whole idea... there is nothing as far as we know that looks like 'collective consciousness', unless of course you follow Deepak Chopra and his silly ideas that even atoms have consciousness, based on his interpretation of mysticism of quantum physics.

As for OP - I don't believe your friend meant Scientology, more like someone who believe in science and takes religious ideas as mythology... You're step closer to freedom of religion, but you're unsure in existence of God. I suggest you read some works of Sam Harris or late Christopher Hitchens and you'll break completely free.

You will release, as Tim Minchin would say, that every solved magical mystery in world turn out not to be magic.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Grimpachi
Something to feel grateful to.

Something to blame.

Something to make you feel more closely connected with everything.

Did you just describe internet?

a reply to: SuperFrog

Collective consciousness....We find a way....what is a book? What is the internet? What is the knowledge passed down from generation to generation? What is school? What is religion?

So you are saying that there is no evidence that collective consciousness exists? Now when everyone starts thinking alike, they share consciousness, they exhibit similar traits and act as one.

Now this has many possible ways to occur. Study what they have recently found out about Locust activity and the strange signals they have discovered that is related to this activity....it is not just chemical.

Rickymouse, knowledge is not the same as consciousness.

We have a knowledge, that we pass through generations, internet made it more available to everyone, but that knowledge is not collective consciousness.

a reply to: KnowledgeSeeker81

On second thought, I did, in fact, ramble and/or preach a bit. My apologies. Your idea settles the problem of evil, removes any and all prerequisite omniscience or omnipotence that are typically assigned deities, and as such it is probably at a level somewhere near infinitely more probable that your idea is right than any worshiped deity with the aforementioned characteristics.

a reply to: SuperFrog

Did you just describe internet?

Joking apart, Spinoza's God (which is what the OP describes) is a lot like the Internet.

originally posted by: KnowledgeSeeker81
I don't believe in god, I don't not believe in god.

You either accept the claims by theists (for gods) or you don't, what you just said is nonsensical.

originally posted by: KnowledgeSeeker81
This was a thought provoked today in of all places, a casino, with a drink and a discussion with... gasp a Muslim. Quite the typical Muslim too, I might add, mid 20's, African-American, wearing a Cavaliers jersey and shorts with a cap on backwards. Oddly enough our conversation came about because my friend that was bartending had not seen the Michael Jackson holograph video. A really cool guy named Odie was sitting next to me and noticed that and that struck up a convo about how that tech is actually kind of scary if used for the wrong purposes. Imagine Putin or Obama done with that tech with harmful intent...anyways not to stray from my own OP, our discussion progressed into a somewhat political, then slightly religious conversation.

He explained to me his view of religion is their is only one creator (god) and all is of one, others are only prophets. My response is I guess at best I could be considered an agnostic scientologist. I believe in science, I believe in physics, I believe in energy, but I'm not convinced so much on an all-mighty creator God.

What provoked this specific thought of mine was he said "doesn't every drop of water eventually come from the ocean, even if you can't prove it came from the ocean?"

Got me to thinking, and I don't want to go to deep into thought without a little thought and input into it, but basically, what if what human kind knows and believes as God is actually there, but as a non-conscious everything and anything. Energy for example. What if God created everything but does not consciously realize it created everything?

God actually exist and is conscious. The thing is that even Him knows that he cannot interfere with nature ( He knows He can, but chose not to ).
Example: I have 2 kids, at this moment I can control their lives. I choose what they eat, see on tv, the school, but when time comes, I will loose control of their life. And for me trying to keep control, will be damaging for them.
God can control everything up to some extent, but even Him has to let loose.

originally posted by: KnowledgeSeeker81
a reply to: glend
Do you consciously activate your immune system when you are ill, or is it automated? Do you consciously break down food in your body to extract the nutrients? Or does it just happen, and the human body can actually be similarly compared to the universe. YOU consciously don't realize what your body does, but it does it to make you live. Your body reacts to the laws of physics/nature to keep you alive, and you cannot stop that. Does that mean your immune system is conscious, or is it programmed to react to alterations?

You know about it but could a god type entity progress beyond knowing it, and become automated, creating without knowing creation? Also could it form without that conscious self-knowledge and simply be an automated natural process?

I just look for input, not answers to it all

You'll be surprised of what you can do or feel when you reach that level of consciousness. It requires a lot of effort and patience to get there, but is reachable.
The image you see in the mirror, is it really you? Or just a reflection of the light that you irradiate? People see you in a lot of different ways, that means that there is multiple versions of you? They see you from their perspectives, you are like a prism the light diffract in a different color according the viewing angle. That why people see you in different ways.
There is more to talk about, so little space.
Consciousness.