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originally posted by: adnanmuf
Phonicians are Arabs from Yemen immigrated all over the place especially north Africa (Cartage Tunis) and Cartage (spain) and Lebanon shores.
Most Berber came from Europe Denmark the Vandals, their men got wiped out by Justinian, their women Haplogroup U9 (found only in Finland and Sweden) are now the majority of Berber women.
Many Arab Kharijites joined Berber clans since Berber clans are Maternal Ancestry, many African E3b also joined their clans..
Berber kingdoms held sway of North Africa from the hands of Arabs (Moravids, Mohads, Zurids) even have khalifs of Islam, they did not hurt Arabs living there.
The last Berber in Spain the Moors had a man from Umayyad Arab lineage as their leader in the last Moor Uprising against the Spaniards in 1560.
There are a minority of Communists among Berber who call for independence from Arabs, but their worst enemies are the Berber themselves. those communist minority dont count.
Back to Palestine belong to the Palestinians who are mixture of children of Abraham and Isaac from the same stock of Canaanites (yemenis) Abraham was a semite in Iraq from tribe that came from Yemen and the Arabian Peninsula. They did not take the land from non semites. the land was always semites from Yemen. Yemen can claim Palestine but that dont change a thing because Palestinians are Yemenites in origin.
Contemporary world Jews however are not descendents of Abraham or the Semites or the Ancient Israelites. They are imposaters. They are Magog is disguise as the Ancient Israelites. They are not. They are Europpeans from Europe, and to Europe they will go back
originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
Hamas and other terrorist are cowards and the Palestine government will not expel these criminals better yet put them in jail for life for terrorism.
They fire their rockets from within civilian neighborhoods at which point the Israelis can pin point exactly from where their rockets were fired from and then they return fire. In the meantime these cowards run away leaving the civilians defenseless and who by the way are innocent.
So who is at fault? Simple the terrorists. If the Palestine government removed HAMAS and the other terrorist organizations from the Gaza strip the fighting would cease and possibly there would be a chance for peace. But Palestine does not want that do they?
Many of us were not around when the U.N. granted Israel its statehood back in 1948. Do you know how Palestine looked in 1948? Why don't you research it. When Israel and its people moved back they found the land given to them filthy, the waters were infested and the land was barren. The Palestine government found it funny and laughed and made jokes until after a few years of hard work and sweat from the Israelites the waters cleaned up and the land became fruitful once again. Once the Palestines saw this they wanted the land back. Does this sound right to you?
I understand the Palestine/Israel is both a political and religious issue that will never be solved. The hate will always be there. It breaks my heart to see the suffering going on over there ONLY if the people (on both sides) would take matters in their own hands and drag all the politicians and religious leaders outside and make an "example" of them but again neither side would agree to this.
Palestine knows Israel has a great advantage over them but their pride will not let them see clearly.
What are your feelings on this?
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
originally posted by: adnanmuf
Phonicians are Arabs from Yemen immigrated all over the place especially north Africa (Cartage Tunis) and Cartage (spain) and Lebanon shores.
Most Berber came from Europe Denmark the Vandals, their men got wiped out by Justinian, their women Haplogroup U9 (found only in Finland and Sweden) are now the majority of Berber women.
Many Arab Kharijites joined Berber clans since Berber clans are Maternal Ancestry, many African E3b also joined their clans..
Berber kingdoms held sway of North Africa from the hands of Arabs (Moravids, Mohads, Zurids) even have khalifs of Islam, they did not hurt Arabs living there.
The last Berber in Spain the Moors had a man from Umayyad Arab lineage as their leader in the last Moor Uprising against the Spaniards in 1560.
There are a minority of Communists among Berber who call for independence from Arabs, but their worst enemies are the Berber themselves. those communist minority dont count.
Back to Palestine belong to the Palestinians who are mixture of children of Abraham and Isaac from the same stock of Canaanites (yemenis) Abraham was a semite in Iraq from tribe that came from Yemen and the Arabian Peninsula. They did not take the land from non semites. the land was always semites from Yemen. Yemen can claim Palestine but that dont change a thing because Palestinians are Yemenites in origin.
Contemporary world Jews however are not descendents of Abraham or the Semites or the Ancient Israelites. They are imposaters. They are Magog is disguise as the Ancient Israelites. They are not. They are Europpeans from Europe, and to Europe they will go back
Your first paragraph is 100% wrong.
Berbers did not come from Europe.
Phoenicians did not come from Yemen and are not Arabs. They're basically Canaanites.
So according to you Berbers who call for liberation "don't count." Typical and hypocritical Arab perspective given your support of Palestinian independence.
You're second paragraph is pseudo-science.
Jews are 30-70% Near Eastern genetically. Not sure what you're talking about. Palestinians have a similar amount of none-levantine Arabian and other admixture anyway.
originally posted by: adnanmuf
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
originally posted by: adnanmuf
Phonicians are Arabs from Yemen immigrated all over the place especially north Africa (Cartage Tunis) and Cartage (spain) and Lebanon shores.
Most Berber came from Europe Denmark the Vandals, their men got wiped out by Justinian, their women Haplogroup U9 (found only in Finland and Sweden) are now the majority of Berber women.
Many Arab Kharijites joined Berber clans since Berber clans are Maternal Ancestry, many African E3b also joined their clans..
Berber kingdoms held sway of North Africa from the hands of Arabs (Moravids, Mohads, Zurids) even have khalifs of Islam, they did not hurt Arabs living there.
The last Berber in Spain the Moors had a man from Umayyad Arab lineage as their leader in the last Moor Uprising against the Spaniards in 1560.
There are a minority of Communists among Berber who call for independence from Arabs, but their worst enemies are the Berber themselves. those communist minority dont count.
Back to Palestine belong to the Palestinians who are mixture of children of Abraham and Isaac from the same stock of Canaanites (yemenis) Abraham was a semite in Iraq from tribe that came from Yemen and the Arabian Peninsula. They did not take the land from non semites. the land was always semites from Yemen. Yemen can claim Palestine but that dont change a thing because Palestinians are Yemenites in origin.
Contemporary world Jews however are not descendents of Abraham or the Semites or the Ancient Israelites. They are imposaters. They are Magog is disguise as the Ancient Israelites. They are not. They are Europpeans from Europe, and to Europe they will go back
Your first paragraph is 100% wrong.
Berbers did not come from Europe.
Phoenicians did not come from Yemen and are not Arabs. They're basically Canaanites.
So according to you Berbers who call for liberation "don't count." Typical and hypocritical Arab perspective given your support of Palestinian independence.
You're second paragraph is pseudo-science.
Jews are 30-70% Near Eastern genetically. Not sure what you're talking about. Palestinians have a similar amount of none-levantine Arabian and other admixture anyway.
You are talking about genetic studies made by jews from Israel, who are themselves of Haplogroup R1a and E3b (Behar)
I dont know what you mean by 30% of Near Eastewrn. Palestine is only for palestinians not Near Eastern.
and I solved the problem for you, the Jews who entered Palestine from outside of Palestine need to get out of palestine so that Palestinians can go back to their homeland. It does not matter where the Jews come from, they did not come from Palestine.
The communist berber dont represent Berber. Communists are the proletaria of nations they dont have nationality, they are enemies of nationalities by definition. They are enemies of Berber.
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
Berbers deserve independence anyway you try to spin it. So do other Arab occupied peoples such as Western Saharans and Kurds.
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
originally posted by: adnanmuf
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
originally posted by: adnanmuf
Phonicians are Arabs from Yemen immigrated all over the place especially north Africa (Cartage Tunis) and Cartage (spain) and Lebanon shores.
Most Berber came from Europe Denmark the Vandals, their men got wiped out by Justinian, their women Haplogroup U9 (found only in Finland and Sweden) are now the majority of Berber women.
Many Arab Kharijites joined Berber clans since Berber clans are Maternal Ancestry, many African E3b also joined their clans..
Berber kingdoms held sway of North Africa from the hands of Arabs (Moravids, Mohads, Zurids) even have khalifs of Islam, they did not hurt Arabs living there.
The last Berber in Spain the Moors had a man from Umayyad Arab lineage as their leader in the last Moor Uprising against the Spaniards in 1560.
There are a minority of Communists among Berber who call for independence from Arabs, but their worst enemies are the Berber themselves. those communist minority dont count.
Back to Palestine belong to the Palestinians who are mixture of children of Abraham and Isaac from the same stock of Canaanites (yemenis) Abraham was a semite in Iraq from tribe that came from Yemen and the Arabian Peninsula. They did not take the land from non semites. the land was always semites from Yemen. Yemen can claim Palestine but that dont change a thing because Palestinians are Yemenites in origin.
Contemporary world Jews however are not descendents of Abraham or the Semites or the Ancient Israelites. They are imposaters. They are Magog is disguise as the Ancient Israelites. They are not. They are Europpeans from Europe, and to Europe they will go back
Your first paragraph is 100% wrong.
Berbers did not come from Europe.
Phoenicians did not come from Yemen and are not Arabs. They're basically Canaanites.
So according to you Berbers who call for liberation "don't count." Typical and hypocritical Arab perspective given your support of Palestinian independence.
You're second paragraph is pseudo-science.
Jews are 30-70% Near Eastern genetically. Not sure what you're talking about. Palestinians have a similar amount of none-levantine Arabian and other admixture anyway.
You are talking about genetic studies made by jews from Israel, who are themselves of Haplogroup R1a and E3b (Behar)
I dont know what you mean by 30% of Near Eastewrn. Palestine is only for palestinians not Near Eastern.
and I solved the problem for you, the Jews who entered Palestine from outside of Palestine need to get out of palestine so that Palestinians can go back to their homeland. It does not matter where the Jews come from, they did not come from Palestine.
The communist berber dont represent Berber. Communists are the proletaria of nations they dont have nationality, they are enemies of nationalities by definition. They are enemies of Berber.
Palestinians are Arabian and Sub-Saharan African - and other non-Levantine- admixed.
Let me be more specific. Jewish are Judeans, natives of Judea, admixed with others.
Berbers deserve independence anyway you try to spin it. So do other Arab occupied peoples such as Western Saharans and Kurds.
originally posted by: adnanmuf
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
originally posted by: adnanmuf
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
originally posted by: adnanmuf
Phonicians are Arabs from Yemen immigrated all over the place especially north Africa (Cartage Tunis) and Cartage (spain) and Lebanon shores.
Most Berber came from Europe Denmark the Vandals, their men got wiped out by Justinian, their women Haplogroup U9 (found only in Finland and Sweden) are now the majority of Berber women.
Many Arab Kharijites joined Berber clans since Berber clans are Maternal Ancestry, many African E3b also joined their clans..
Berber kingdoms held sway of North Africa from the hands of Arabs (Moravids, Mohads, Zurids) even have khalifs of Islam, they did not hurt Arabs living there.
The last Berber in Spain the Moors had a man from Umayyad Arab lineage as their leader in the last Moor Uprising against the Spaniards in 1560.
There are a minority of Communists among Berber who call for independence from Arabs, but their worst enemies are the Berber themselves. those communist minority dont count.
Back to Palestine belong to the Palestinians who are mixture of children of Abraham and Isaac from the same stock of Canaanites (yemenis) Abraham was a semite in Iraq from tribe that came from Yemen and the Arabian Peninsula. They did not take the land from non semites. the land was always semites from Yemen. Yemen can claim Palestine but that dont change a thing because Palestinians are Yemenites in origin.
Contemporary world Jews however are not descendents of Abraham or the Semites or the Ancient Israelites. They are imposaters. They are Magog is disguise as the Ancient Israelites. They are not. They are Europpeans from Europe, and to Europe they will go back
Your first paragraph is 100% wrong.
Berbers did not come from Europe.
Phoenicians did not come from Yemen and are not Arabs. They're basically Canaanites.
So according to you Berbers who call for liberation "don't count." Typical and hypocritical Arab perspective given your support of Palestinian independence.
You're second paragraph is pseudo-science.
Jews are 30-70% Near Eastern genetically. Not sure what you're talking about. Palestinians have a similar amount of none-levantine Arabian and other admixture anyway.
You are talking about genetic studies made by jews from Israel, who are themselves of Haplogroup R1a and E3b (Behar)
I dont know what you mean by 30% of Near Eastewrn. Palestine is only for palestinians not Near Eastern.
and I solved the problem for you, the Jews who entered Palestine from outside of Palestine need to get out of palestine so that Palestinians can go back to their homeland. It does not matter where the Jews come from, they did not come from Palestine.
The communist berber dont represent Berber. Communists are the proletaria of nations they dont have nationality, they are enemies of nationalities by definition. They are enemies of Berber.
Palestinians are Arabian and Sub-Saharan African - and other non-Levantine- admixed.
Let me be more specific. Jewish are Judeans, natives of Judea, admixed with others.
Berbers deserve independence anyway you try to spin it. So do other Arab occupied peoples such as Western Saharans and Kurds.
not tru Palestinians are 80% Arabs (including all the remnants of Ancient Israelites), and 20% non Arabs but from neighboring areas who helped the Arabs in their survival.
The Contemporary Jews on the other hand are confirmed 80% Europpeans originated from Central Asia (Haplogroup R, Haplogroup Q, female haplogroup K of the blue eye mutation katia or Katura by name)and 10% E3b of Berber of west of north africa (Morocco), the remaining 10% are are from all over the world not including not even one from the Ancient Israelites.
originally posted by: TheTengriist
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
Berbers deserve independence anyway you try to spin it. So do other Arab occupied peoples such as Western Saharans and Kurds.
"Arab-occupied peoples"? Really now? You must have a very strange standard of criteria if Moroccans are Arabs but West Saharans (Sahrawis? I'm sure there's a proper noun I don't know) aren't.
You do know that the Maghreb has a pretty large ethnic diversity, with a great amount of admixture, and most people there are only "Arabs" in that they speak Arabic?
...Sort of, I guess, there's this whole thing about dialects, so that Arabic from interior Algeria might as well be Hebrew or Somali, if it's not already an Arabic-Tuareg creole...
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
Morocco is ruled by an Arabs who suppress Berber culture and occupy Western Sahara. Spin it any way you like.
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
originally posted by: TheTengriist
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
Berbers deserve independence anyway you try to spin it. So do other Arab occupied peoples such as Western Saharans and Kurds.
"Arab-occupied peoples"? Really now? You must have a very strange standard of criteria if Moroccans are Arabs but West Saharans (Sahrawis? I'm sure there's a proper noun I don't know) aren't.
You do know that the Maghreb has a pretty large ethnic diversity, with a great amount of admixture, and most people there are only "Arabs" in that they speak Arabic?
...Sort of, I guess, there's this whole thing about dialects, so that Arabic from interior Algeria might as well be Hebrew or Somali, if it's not already an Arabic-Tuareg creole...
Morocco is ruled by an Arabs who suppress Berber culture and occupy Western Sahara. Spin it any way you like.
The three studies OccamRazor04 referenced were made by Israelie Jews and are old from 1999 to 2002, We are now in 2014.
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: adnanmuf
Actually the study of DNA from israel and palestine was done by the FRENCH if i remember correctly. SO i do not see how israel influenced the testing or outcome. WHich yasser arafat and numerous ex plo will tell you they agree because they know they are not related to who they get the name from.
OH an di noticed you mentioned anchient israelites as owners of palestine land rightfully. So they can own land but cannot call in relatives from europe to come live there is that it?. Just curious.
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
Israelites are not, nor were ever, Arabs.
You're haplogroup assumptions are pure rubbish.
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: adnanmuf
Actually the study of DNA from israel and palestine was done by the FRENCH if i remember correctly. SO i do not see how israel influenced the testing or outcome. WHich yasser arafat and numerous ex plo will tell you they agree because they know they are not related to who they get the name from.
OH an di noticed you mentioned anchient israelites as owners of palestine land rightfully. So they can own land but cannot call in relatives from europe to come live there is that it?. Just curious.
originally posted by: DarknStormy
originally posted by: HisRoyalJewness
Israelites are not, nor were ever, Arabs.
You're haplogroup assumptions are pure rubbish.
Israelites were not Zionists either... Israelites wouldn't allow Homosexuality and Brothels in Israel either... Israelites wouldn't allow Secular Law to rule Israel either... The modern State of Israel from a religious perspective is rubbish.