Weather Modification / Vortex causing weather issues in Michigan.

I recently watched a video on Chem Trails for a scientist who is part of the "Union of Concerned Scientist" group. He gave an hour presentation on weather modification and how it's affecting our weather.




I just noticed the strange weather we are set to have here in Michigan. They posted some news about it today.

Bazaar weather patter set for Michigan this week.

Not only are they closing HAARP, but I'm starting to wonder much did the really screw up the weather pattern on the entire globe. Now that they are closing HAARP, are they trying to cover their tracks?

I believe the lower than normal summer temps here are due to the lower than normal temperatures of the great lakes, Lake Michigan in particular. The lakes were covered with ice much later in the year than normal and that will effect the weather current.

Dane Wiggington is not a scientist. You can tell this by the way doesn't know jack about the subject he is talking about plus the fact that this appears on a chemtrail hoax site rather than a scientific or university site.

It does however pull in financial support from gullible believers who can't identify the crap that's dangled in front of them.

As for the minutiae of disproving his claims, it's all over this forum, and many other sites, for anyone with the inclination to look.

a reply to: TheInfamousOne
They aren't closing HAARP, they'll keep funding it.
But the US isn't the only country that uses them.
I still don't think it's a good idea to heat the ionosphere, I think it may change the jet stream and change the weather patterns.
Enjoy the cooler weather at least it isn't 105.

Yes i saw that they were closing HAARP in Alaska. Saw a interview with a general in charge of it, i think that was the rank. Sorry i never saved the link. But what happened is he admitted to the fact that it was there and that it was being closed. I don't remember exactly how it was phrased but i think he was asked why now that it is finally admitted that it exist, why are they now closing it? This i do remember exactly. " WE HAVE BETTER TECHNOLOGIES NOW ". he didn't elaborate on it though. I don't know but maybe they have some thing in space to maneuver anywhere to manipulate it better.

They have admitted to chem-trails already, said it was to try and make it rain for crops. Not a conspiracy anymore. ra reply to: waynos

originally posted by: irgust
a reply to: TheInfamousOne
They aren't closing HAARP, they'll keep funding it.
But the US isn't the only country that uses them.
I still don't think it's a good idea to heat the ionosphere, I think it may change the jet stream and change the weather patterns.
Enjoy the cooler weather at least it isn't 105.

They have said they are closing it publicly. And also said why. They have better technology now. What technology they did not say. I think a satellite based system to move anywhere and better manipulate it.

a reply to: roth1

HAARP was never a secret. In fact they had days where the public could visit. It should also be pointed out that the entire reason people think it can control the weather is because of Nick Begich. A man who is riding on the coat tails of his father and brother while trying to pass himself off as a PhD even though his degree is from a diploma mill.

a reply to: jtrenthacker

Have to agree with you. EVERY news station had been talking about how crazy it was having them frozen for so long. Sad about the hypothermia deaths though.

Not sure where the almost 7 inches of rain in 3 days comes from, but hey, don't have to water the garden.

originally posted by: roth1
They have admitted to chem-trails already, said it was to try and make it rain for crops. Not a conspiracy anymore. ra reply to: waynos

Nobody has ever admitted to chemtrails, as far as I'm aware, unless you can say who you're referring to?

The process of making rain is called cloud seeding. cloud seeding is not chemtrails, they have nothing to do with each other and are nothing alike.

- cloud seeding has never been secret, so nobody ever needed to "admit" to it.
- various companies publicly advertise this service
- cloud seeding does not leave a visible trail in the sky.
-cloud seeding is always performed from small aircraft directly into an existing cumulus rain cloud (there has to be a cloud to seed)

Chemtrails are claimed to be long white trails left high in the sky behind jets, often into clear blue sky. Rain doesn't fall from the altitudes that these aircraft are flying.

Chemtrails, as depicted on geoengineeringwatch and similar sites, are not only a hoax, but also impossible.

These sites are telling people that planes can spray a volume of material, over hundreds of miles, that is up to 10,000 times greater than the capacity of the aircraft.

Some people cannot see that this claim is really rather stupid.

a reply to: roth1

Wow, you've managed to pack a lot of ignorance in there. Why is it that for you lot, people never "discuss" things, they always "admit" them? Such a loaded word, isn't it. And you have just admitted that you don't know owt about owt, as they say in Yorkshire.

HAARP was never a secret.
HAARP has nothing to do with weather.
Cloud seeding was never a secret.
Cloud seeding has nothing to do with contrails.
Cloud seeding might make a small area of existing cloud dump a bit more rain, but that's it.

As for the "bazaar weather" (wow, that must souk!) in the OP, why not look at a weather chart or two and see the reasons for it.

originally posted by: irgust
a reply to: TheInfamousOne
They aren't closing HAARP, they'll keep funding it.

Evidence?

But the US isn't the only country that uses them.

I presume you mean the US isn't the only country that uses ionospheric heaters.

indeed not

I still don't think it's a good idea to heat the ionosphere, I think it may change the jet stream and change the weather patterns.

"I think..." is not evidence.

the FACT that the jetstream is at about 23-40,000 feet and the ionosphere starts at about 85 km - 250,000 - feet IS evidence - evidence that you are wrong.

originally posted by: waynos
Dane Wiggington is not a scientist. .........

As for the minutiae of disproving his claims, it's all over this forum, and many other sites, for anyone with the inclination to look.

this link makes it easier to find

I'm not sure he's ever said something that is correct!!

a reply to: waynos

You have never been beneath the tic-tac-toe/checkerboard and experienced the resulting dusting of topiaries with the shiny silver particulates, or breathing difficulties or bloody noses and eye burning. Chemtrails are not contrails and are not horizon to horizon phenomenon left by commercial jets. They are very strategically placed.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
I was under a nice checkerboard just this morning. They hadn't quite finished filling in all the lines when I snapped this one.



And you know what? I feel fine.

I know, I know, you're going to tell me that this grid doesn't count and it's not real chemtrails, but you know what? Photos just like this one regularly send chemtrail believers into conniptions.

Why don't you take a photo of this silver dust? Maybe send some samples off to a lab?

originally posted by: chiefsmom
a reply to: jtrenthacker

Have to agree with you. EVERY news station had been talking about how crazy it was having them frozen for so long. Sad about the hypothermia deaths though.

Not sure where the almost 7 inches of rain in 3 days comes from, but hey, don't have to water the garden.

Cedar Rapids Iowa got 6 inches of rainfall in 2 hours, (June) the very next DAY 90 mile per hour winds(and this is normal)? Just so happened to be 'refuse (recyclables) pickup day'; garbage and vehicles floating down the streets (good luck sorting the aftermath).

Here in MI I've been up all the way to Copper Harbor in the last week and it's COLD but we were warned it was going to be this summer. The rain splattered on the windshield 2 days ago. Headed back south and on Lake Michigan and it's a lot warmer than Superior but thats normal too.

Chineice HAARP
Hurt awe cwrops reel bad
Weatha wawrs
Gonna be reel big payback

/chity wok

I was thinking of you.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: roth1

HAARP was never a secret. In fact they had days where the public could visit. It should also be pointed out that the entire reason people think it can control the weather is because of Nick Begich. A man who is riding on the coat tails of his father and brother while trying to pass himself off as a PhD even though his degree is from a diploma mill.

In 1999; I happened to be in GlenAllen Alaska late August early September/leaves were turning. That HAARP facility is oh 30 miles out of town. I don't know why I was there with a nice Canon camera zoom lens taking pictures of an antennae array, not at all out of place blended right in with the landscape. Goons showed up and took my roll of film (this was old style Kodak) and made me leave the area never to return OR ELSE. I wasn't one of 'public' that was invited to visit apparently. If you are in this area Richardson Hwy between GlenAllen and Valdez Harbor is a beautiful drive glacier after glacier, Terrence McKenna (after imbibing) would have loved it. Miniature forests there as well, 4 foot tall bonsai pine trees that are hundreds of years old.