Could The Bibles Chapter Rev Been Added To Trick Us?

Through out ones life, you get clues, hints, vibes during life. One using this info, makes Changes. Yet. How is it we follow the Chapter Rev almost down to a Tee!

It is possible all this somehow twisted, created in a way long ago to Believe in something Total Different? I find it odd that Christ Never Had a church. All Christ did was Roam the streets, spreading The Word. Here we have a story; simple ver, When God placed the Watchers and their Children to the center of Earth, one day the Door would open. Hell once again, until Christ's return.

That would Imply Earth being a Prison, right? Watchers are Spirits are they not? Is it Possible Rev is nothing more then an Added Chapter way back in the day? Having known other Relg's, heard Christs Words, The Church Twisted everything around, replaced/changed Chapters or Burned them Completely.

Yet if you look at it another way, How does Hell On Earth start? Man Opens the door, Blows the Lid Off, Tears up Mother Natures Control, somehow could we have been Played all this time? He said this, She said that, means nothing. No one Question It, considered a Taboo, Great Sin!

Christ was a simple man! Had no shiny toys, could turn water into wine, do the Bread trick, and walked on Water. Once! Pretty much, every single story happened 1 Time. Yet in Rev. One could move this to any point of time in the past. Next comes the Great Quake idea. Seems we have lately found Citys underwater! Must have been a good one to do this! Sky has fallen; Happened! 12,000 yrs ago would seem to be the latest, yet not proven.

The only thing I find odd is How Man has come to know ET as Evil? The missing Link to Rev Stories, we know they have been here, have always been, carved in stone, Teaching! One does not just Carve # on a stone you know! So in knowing this, watchers who do walk this earth; the Evil Christ was warring us about, Have been in control longer then we know. That there is no End Days, never was really. All were doing is blindly Breaking Them out of Prison. Parts of the story might get ones attention, yet why would one Hide in a cave knowing it will Not work? Say's right there! It basicly tells Satan What Not to do, Allow Man!

Frankly speaking, God or Christ would happen to Come By. More then likely be in some form of ship, yet so much Fear! Most people would actually Shoot First! Explains why evil continues to go as planned, all systems go! Nothing Changes! We are locked into a belief that does not Exist. Took the Words Christ Used, changed some around and Bingo.

Nothing seems to make sence, at every angle of ones Life, parts are slowly being stripped, tugged at, and we are slowly dying a slow death. Unless you are playing with the Others; evil trickers they are, Tomorrows another day!

Think this out, even just for the time being. One thing I've come to find out is the need to Question. Not the outside world, lol since I can see that Clearly. Something one holds on deep inside that no longer Apply's to today's world. If Christ was a simple man. How did it get to this? A set of rules, tests and trials placed before us, Only just the wrong ones! We somehow became Hoodwinked and do not even know it ourselves.

So you know, God? Just don't use that Word! Places Limits on Him! Christ, Yes! Although more then one Man/Woman walking beside Him from time to time. All seem to have Done their Work and Died for it! Have You Thanked them Lately? Enjoy you night/day people, days used up, time for shut down. One never knows what tomorrow may bring!

Talk to Tomorrow! Thanks for reading.

a reply to: infoseeker26754
I always wondered about revelations. Then you get to the 144000 special people that get to rule with jesus. Guess which "tribes" they come from. The chosen people always find a way to be the top dogs.

a reply to: infoseeker26754

Im just going to say Christ didnt have a church because he was a Jew. Jews dont have churches. They have synagogs-Temples. He was busy preaching around the OLD one (Temple).

He was preaching from the old Jewish scriptures. AFTER He lived and died and was Born Again...we have a newly created RELIGION...Christianity....divided into seperate beliefs of His teachings.

HIs LIFE created a new religion...and therefore, many churches. AFTERWARDS.

Apparently, the Revelation is pretty much agreed to be a pre-Christian Jewish text that was re-purposed to give the New Testament a more "hopeful" ending. The symbolism and cosmology is largely incongruous with the rest of the New Testament, and in some ways contradictory, presenting the returned Savior as a kind of warrior king, not the humble Son of Man who teaches us the virtue of poverty, humility and charity towards our fellow men.

But, hey. People love a good fight.

originally posted by: ZeussusZ
a reply to: infoseeker26754
I always wondered about revelations. Then you get to the 144000 special people that get to rule with jesus. Guess which "tribes" they come from. The chosen people always find a way to be the top dogs.

Yeah, but it's not all great for them. Despite what a lot of apologists and quibblers might say, Revelation pretty clearly indicates that the 144,000 have to be Jewish virgins. So there's a downside.

a reply to: infoseeker26754

The syllables of the Hebrew OT prophecies are metered by factors of 7. The same pattern continues into the Greek NT, and into Revelation. Revelation is the key to unlocking the knowledge of the bible. It was written in 94 AD, or 4200 years after the fall of Adam. This was the years that Jesus WOULD HAVE returned had Jesus died at the age of 40 rather than 33. Since Jesus died 7 years ahead of schedule, His return has been re-scheduled for a future date (I think 2023, but thats just theory at the moment). So, Revelation was written when Jesus was supposed to return to "update" His followers on the re-scheduling. All of this is implied by the numerical pattern of the meter. It allows us to map out a timeline of past biblical events. The Book of Revelation is the answer to the metered "riddle".

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Apparently, the Revelation is pretty much agreed to be a pre-Christian Jewish text that was re-purposed to give the New Testament a more "hopeful" ending. The symbolism and cosmology is largely incongruous with the rest of the New Testament, and in some ways contradictory, presenting the returned Savior as a kind of warrior king, not the humble Son of Man who teaches us the virtue of poverty, humility and charity towards our fellow men.

But, hey. People love a good fight.

Savior as a kind of warrior king

u mean this part "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father;
when he shall have put down all rule
and all authority and power."

then starts the 1000 years of Peace on Earth,,
u know like Christmas,, only better.

a reply to: Blue Shift

I find the notion that it's about first century Rome (primarily the reign of Nero) the most credible interpretation.

I always smother a little chuckle when someone brings that whole whacky Revelations ending up as a matter of off-handed theological discussion. From having been raised as a fundamentalist Christian, to someone whose beliefs are almost antithetical to those once held in childhood, allow me to offer a very different take to what are commonly proposed as prophesies to the end of days. It makes old John--and the Bible in particular--a far more interesting book.

John was captured and imprisoned by the Romans on the island of Patmos, in the Aegean sea. It is thought that he was around ninety two years of age at that time.
Now, recent archaeological and botanic surveys of the area have shown fossilised remains of a certain type of mushroom that grew on the island around that time. The specific genus escapes me, although safe to say that the fungus was both toxic and highly psychoactive. AKA psychadelic.

Take a step aside and lets have a think about penal colonies of the day. By and large prisoners were not of a high priority when it came to food, water, legislated exercise hours and visitation rights. So, let's say that during this rocky period of the Roman empire, that there was some trouble supplying food (remember, not so high a priority for the inmates) to the island of Patmos. What little food that could be supplied was divided between the legionaries and warden staff on the island. NOW, still having to keep their prisoners alive--what do you think the jail staff might have done, lacking for proper sustenance? Hmm, I know:
"Aerulius; you think we could try and mash together whatever it is that grows on this island? The scum are getting restless."
"Sure Gladius, I can't say it'll taste good but I'll do my level best."
"Excellent. Oh, remember those mushrooms we saw growing out back of our latrines?"
"You mean those--"
"Yeah THOSE ones."

Say what you like about psychotropic fungi (and I don't believe I'm breaking any forum rules here), but it is commonly accepted that such plants induce "mystical" experiences for those who take them. Couple a strictly Christian psyche with these er, foodstuffs, and hey presto! Instant dragons and angels, trumpets and seals and destruction, blood, masses, jewelled kingdoms descending from on high, et cetera.
That the visions are so intense, and roundly negative/destructive, speaks only for the headspace of the person who had them.

That's all.

a reply to: Moresby

yes "he" did say that his generation,,ie 70 years,, would see the Temple, torn down,, not one stone upon the other,,

sure enugh,, 90 A.D,,,Temple Destroyed,
but they laughed.
Nero,, such a nice guy,, too uphold Jesus words like that.

originally posted by: Milleresque
I allow me to offer a very different take to what are commonly proposed as prophesies to the end of days. It makes old John--and the Bible in particular--a far more interesting book.
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That is neither new or unique or interesting.It is about as non nonsensical fantasy as what many Christians believe (even more so).I suggest if you ever want to be taken seriously don't repeat this foolishness.

originally posted by: infoseeker26754
I find it odd that Christ Never Had a church.

He had a church. He HAS a church.

Matthew 16:18-19

Jesus speaking - 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[c] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.”


As for Revelations. It was widely disregarded in the early church. It was denounced by some of the 'biggies' like Polycarp. And It wasn't accepted by the church .. not really .. until the 500s AD. No one knows what, if anything, it really says. It could easily be a lot of dementia dreams by a very religious old man. Revelation may mean something .. or it may mean nothing. At any rate, it has nothing to do with salvation so it's really unimportant.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: ZeussusZ
a reply to: infoseeker26754
I always wondered about revelations. Then you get to the 144000 special people that get to rule with jesus. Guess which "tribes" they come from. The chosen people always find a way to be the top dogs.

Yeah, but it's not all great for them. Despite what a lot of apologists and quibblers might say, Revelation pretty clearly indicates that the 144,000 have to be Jewish virgins. So there's a downside.

This type of logic is what make Revelation look like foolishness.Nowhere does Revlation state anything about 144,000 "Jewish" virgins.It was 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of "Israel".Judah is only one tribe that eventually combined with Benjamin and some Levites to form the Southern kingdom of Judah(the Jews).The other 10 tribes were known as the Northern Kingdom of Israel.They were eventually taken captive and dispersed amongst the nations with the remnant being called Samaritans.Judah and Israel NEVER united to become the nation of Israel and never will.
ALL of the book of Revelation is written in metaphors and NONE of them are predictions of past present or future historical events.

In other words the 144,000 from the 12 tribes of "ISRAEL" are not literal.They are not literal "virgins".It isn't even about 144,000 physical people.The fantasy of religion has tuned the book of Revelation(more accurate the unveiling of Yahoshua anointing) into a farce.There is no END TIMES cataclysm coming with God slaughtering all the evil people and fighting a being Satan blah blah blah..that is all very low grade fantasy.

Just like the old and new testimony Revelation is about one thing only.Yahoshua...which means Yahweh)the creator God) IS salvation/deliverance.In other words the creator God is going to deliver ALL of mankind from one common cause(living ) and effect(death)....the realm of death.That is the ONLY purpose of Yahoshua.He did not come "teaching" a new moralality and ethics(no one cold follow it if he did).Firstly he proclaimed(stated) the Truth of the Good News(gospel).

ALL of mankind WILL BE delivered from the realm of death.

Secondly the "deed" is done however NONE have been delivered from hades(the realm of death) yet.Everyone that is dead is still dead in the realm of death.NONE are in the mythical place somewhere out there called heaven and absolutely NONE are being tortured in Hell(or ever will be).The "place" heavn and hell are all parts of religious fantasy extrapolated from the scriptures.The most basic things the religious have absolutely wrong.Man can not even imagine what is really going to happen however the creator has testified to the fact that ALL of mankind will be delivered from the realm of death.Everything else pales in comparison.All of human history is a tiny blips of non events in comparison.

The Good(great) News for many that don't believe the religious fantasy (or of God) is it doesn't matter.ALL of mankind will be delivered.It just wasn't told "how" or what the exact process is.Least anyone think they are "escaping" a fictitious hell so can rape and pillage indiscriminately without any consequences is very very foolish.EVERYONE(even those that don't believe they will) WILL be accountable for EVERYTHING they do.No one is getting pardoned from their guilt they WILL be accountable.In what full form ..none can known however we can see how cause and effect work(this isn't karma).

Life is a bitch ...then you die.....fortunately you won't stay dead nor will you have to "live" in the karma wheel of life of "death" again.Unfortunately(actually fortunately) no one can know what or how it works it just will.You can deny it or believe it neither will make it happen or not happen it is plain and simple a true fact.That was ALL Yahoshua and the apostles ever proclaimed...not a "new" religion or even a new moral and ethical code or way to live....and that's the Good News...Yahoshua....

The Book of Revelation is just an example of 2000 year old revenge fiction against the roman empire for exiling the author of the chapter. It's kind of funny that way. Some old time Christian gets exiled by the Empire, gets all bitter, and says that god will smite all the evil doers on Earth.

If read literally, none of what is written could happen since it violates the laws of physics. Not to mention there is no mention of what happens to the rest of the universe and we know now that the Earth is pretty much just an insignificant speck in the vast ocean of space. So if the world is to end, the rest of the universe should follow along. The 1000 year reign of Jesus is an insignificant amount of time as well. If read metaphorically then the passages could literally mean ANYTHING which is the case with Revelation doom porners since they have been saying Revelation is imminent for the last 2000 or so years.

a reply to: Rex282

Question, if the BoR is about God ending death, then where will all these people past, present, and future generations live? We are already pretty overcrowded given the resource consumption of our current population, let alone all the people who have ever lived and will live.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: infoseeker26754



Im just going to say Christ didnt have a church because he was a Jew. Jews dont have churches. They have synagogs-Temples. He was busy preaching around the OLD one (Temple).



He was preaching from the old Jewish scriptures. AFTER He lived and died and was Born Again...we have a newly created RELIGION...Christianity....divided into seperate beliefs of His teachings.



HIs LIFE created a new religion...and therefore, many churches. AFTERWARDS.

^ Makes a good point...so either the bible is talking about Jews, or, at the very least, this is added evidence that the books of the bible were written way, WAY after Jesus' death.

Of course, that's if you believe in this stuff...

a reply to: infoseeker26754

All Christ did was Roam the streets, spreading The Word.

Which was, 'by rejecting me as Messiah, God is rejecting you as His people.'

Jesus was doing what was required in order for there to be fair warning, which was to go everywhere that was within the earlier bounds of the ancient Israel from before its devastation by first the Assyrians, and then later, the Babylonians, in preparation for a similar calamity under the Romans.

The church was founded by the capable disciples, since this was the model for what the church would be throughout future history, people serving other people, and passing that on.

7 Churches are the 7 Chakra's. It's a metaphoric book, but the problem is, the PTB are making the literal grims fairy tale version come true.

It contains the mysteries, or essene knowledge.

Several essays here by by Joshua Tilghman that are very good, they open the mind:

www.spiritofthescripture.com...
Introduction to the Book of Revelations

Pastors who teach and preach this are reading into things too literally or regurgitating Biblical commentaries.


.....It’s a little uncanny how often literal scripture reading conveys the very opposite meaning than what was intended. While most people assume Revelations is about the future, it’s really about the eternal NOW. Jesus Christ declares that he is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, throughout this book of spiritual revelation. These phrases are indicative of the eternal NOW. The past, present, and future are of no concern to the higher self.

......It isn’t about devastation, destruction, and the end. It’s about new birth and life in the conscious experience. It’s about the purging of lower thoughts and emotions in order to awaken to our higher natures. The stigma that has come with the Book of Revelations needs to be lifted.

www.spiritofthescripture.com...
Three and a Half Coils, Kundalini, and Revelations Chapter One

www.spiritofthescripture.com...
The Kabbalistic Tree of Life and the Tree in the Book of Revelations Compared


www.spiritofthescripture.com...
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, and Thyatira: The Chakras of our Lower Temple


www.spiritofthescripture.com...
Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea: The Chakras of Our Upper Body Temple


www.spiritofthescripture.com...
The Twenty-Four Elders, the Four Beasts, and the Throne of God

www.spiritofthescripture.com...
The Book of Life, the Strong Angel, and the Slain Lamb

www.spiritofthescripture.com...
The Book of Life, the Strong Angel, and the Slain Lamb


A description of the meaning behind the angels and the seals!

Let’s begin with Revelations 5:1:

“And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.”

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The backside of the book of life represents your spine. The seven seals are your seven chakras located on the spine. The book itself represents your bodies—including the etheric, emotional, and mental—manifested in the physical plane in order to spiritually evolve your soul to achieve enlightenment. The fact that the book is held by the right hand of the one on the throne is another firm clue; the right hand in scripture signifies the active, outgoing energy (kundalini), which is a spiritual evolutionary force for the soul. Whereas the right is outgoing (evolution), the left is incoming (involution). By the way, we can be sure that this “right hand” of force is undeniably speaking of kundalini based on the multiple statements throughout Revelations where 3 ½ is used. 3 ½ is a number designating dormant kundalini. You can see the article explaining this in more detail here.
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In another article on Spirit of the Scripture I have briefly discussed the meaning of angels. Angels are simply messengers of light—i.e., information, or cosmic light itself. The information provided always moves the soul into action in order to evolve. We can receive these angels, or burst of spiritual energy and information, in deep meditation. The strong angel designates a dynamo power (kundalini) rising in our bodies, up the spine and opening the chakras, or seals. Revelations speaks of them as seals because our chakras are literally somewhat sealed. When fully open, kundalini clears out the emotional baggage and subconscious blockages that hinder our spiritual growth.

It appears as though the data within the GREAT books (in this discussion) the BIBLE REVELATIONS chapter is shared to GUIDE. Its detected that some over time have taken advantage of the Great books and used them for their own gain (how those who did are managing now)? a different discussion. By taking advantage the written data has been altered from its point of ORIGIN.

The power of the LORD however is still shown, as the messages (which are not that hard to understand sort of over all GOLDEN RULE based) sent are still relayed into the mind of those who sense wrong know wrong and do their best not to do so. This behavior assist the species of man as its developing by providing fertile grounds for the species to establish itself on social foundations that support the species future. Which makes sense "the messages" shared by LORD JESUS CHRIST and John of Patmos.

John appears to of been "visited" as its described by an Angel/non human? that took him either on a metaphysical-astral / time jumping experience OR exposed he to technology that could see into future somehow, to show John future data to be relayed in the past within revelations as to WARN current man of his time and future man of paths of destruction it may find itself on...

There are mentions of activities going on in revelations that are not human based in reference to the bottomless pit being opened

revelations 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Notice the STAR is a he/male-being... As best John could describe the

(ABYSS) and beings being freed upon this realm AFTER unfortunately evol has dealt its last hand on the LAMBS of EA*RTH leaving EA*RTH free of LIGHT* and lawless fueled.

revelations 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

By killing the LAMBS in flesh however it creates a centralized concentration point for one specific "remaining" energy group -left- here on EA*RTH. Initiating processes upon them for the deeds done to others.

revelations 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
revelations 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

revelations 9:2
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

revelations 9:3
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Notice they are AWARE beings (the described) locust that can be communicated with?

revelations 9:4
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

revelations 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

revelations 9:6
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

ZOMBIES-HADES activities (the LAMBS don't deserve to be here in flesh when these activities go on) and hopefully wont be and will be observing from (?)

ANd the RETURN of the SON

revelations 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
revelations 19:12
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
revelations 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

HEAVENS ARMY upon EA*RTH

revelations 19:14
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
revelations 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
revelations 19:16
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
revelations 19:17
And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

The process continues-

revelations 19:18
That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

THE WAR

revelations 19:19
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Not sure but from subjective analysis with the LAMBS being transferred-killed in flesh (not in spirit) & later being able to talk to the LORD directly, to 1 signifies those LAMBS are not in the EA*RTH environment suits or bodies of EA*RTH flesh any longer but still are aware and can communicate as well be dressed as they are given robes... THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE ON EA*RTH ANYMORE AS HEAVEN IS ABOVE...

So personally 1 feels John was receptive enough in Spirit to receive "contact" from what ever energy that contacted he and the energy attempted to relay messages from FATHER thru its Angelic self transmitted from John. And john shared the data as best possible.

Now look @ the EA*RTH activities as of now and how some groups are running wild with their own agendas killing innocence daily as if the CREATED the making unbalances that WILL require a re-balance. so 1 does not think the BOOK of revelations was designed as a trick as much as a warning to those RECEPTIVE of its transmitted data... Some may have tampered but the messages are emitting still thru the ignorance as with the Other GREAT Books of EA*RTH.

NAMASTE
LOVE LIGHT ETERNIA*******