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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: tmeister182
We could only hope.
I see a presidential pardon in someones future.
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: MarlinGrace
So you're saying only people that hold your views should be represented in congress. Do you also think that you believe in democracy? Or do you not care, and just want a one party system?
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: MarlinGrace
No, I got that. You just seem incapable of separating ideology Liberal, Republican, Democrat, Anarchist, Statist from party, it's all the same. In a free society these things only hold meaning when there's capable and powerful opposition to a philosophy. A liberal utopia or conservative utopia are no different from each other, they both result in tyranny. Having a time where things lean more liberal or more conservative only has meaning when the opposite can just as easily be true because it means the political process is being influenced by the arena of ideas.
In short, everything in moderation.
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Treason is punishable by death...isn't it? Forget impeachment, go for the gusto!
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
liberal, Republican, Democrat, Anarchist, statist, could hardly be called the same. In fact are you sure you understand the meaning of these words?
Something I think you're missing, is this is one of the few countries in the world where opposition to a philosophy is standard practice, evidence by Occupy Wall Street, and the finest example Martin Luther King Jr.
Since a utopia is pure fantasy or perhaps an experience quantifiable by a deluded mind the US as you know is neither. The difference in liberal and conservative ideologies are easily noticeable by the the effects of policy in cities like a liberal controlled Detroit, and a conservative controlled city similar to Oklahoma City.
My friend the arena of ideas is where all political processes originate, liberal or conservative.
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
liberal, Republican, Democrat, Anarchist, statist, could hardly be called the same. In fact are you sure you understand the meaning of these words?
The philosophies are different but throwing out all the members of government you dislike and replacing them with conservatives brings about the same effect as throwing out all the people liberals dislike and replacing them with liberals. Ideologies hold no value unless viable alternatives and capable people to run those alternatives exist.
This is where we disagree, liberal policies all lead to the same end result a socialistic society where we take from one and give to another based on someone else deciding what is the best for the whole of society. Not only does it ruin incentive, but divides populations. To say there are countless examples would lessen historical facts with needless typing. It's an overused quote but it fits perfectly, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money."
Something I think you're missing, is this is one of the few countries in the world where opposition to a philosophy is standard practice, evidence by Occupy Wall Street, and the finest example Martin Luther King Jr.
Correct, and it's something you are apparently against because you stated you want a government made up of just conservatives. Your own words were "They just need to be replaced with conservatives, and I don't care what party they are from. Just so long as they are conservative". Conservatism only means something when the government also has other opposing viewpoints, when it lacks that conservatism simply becomes the philosophy or the party.
I am not against our first amendment rights, lets take a stretch and say the whole of government was conservative. Would that stop protesting in the streets for change? I think not, is anything it would increase dramatically.
Since a utopia is pure fantasy or perhaps an experience quantifiable by a deluded mind the US as you know is neither. The difference in liberal and conservative ideologies are easily noticeable by the the effects of policy in cities like a liberal controlled Detroit, and a conservative controlled city similar to Oklahoma City.
I'm not debating which is right and which is wrong plenty of examples of each could be pulled up throughout history: Mussolini's Italy, Stalin's Russia, Hitler's Germany, Kim's Korea, Mao's China, Khomeini's Iran, Pinochet's Chili, and so on. Besides that I don't see it as a binary decision where there's only two options and think that viewpoint is close minded and frankly dangerous.
Interestingly you mention only communist dictators. The ultimate liberal progressive examples, and might I say the most extreme. Must be why they don't last. The people finally rise up after decades of communist opression where millions are murdered and try to take there country back or the hand of their expansive reach of power goes to far and gets chopped off.
My friend the arena of ideas is where all political processes originate, liberal or conservative.
That arena of ideas only exists when there's competing ideologies, a total victory of one side over another wipes out opposition, at that point the development of new ideas rapidly declines if it continues at all. To phrase it more in business terms, what happens when you have a market of 15 competing businesses? What happens if one of them manages to beat the others and become a monopoly?
I never said you couldn't have competing ideas, I just want them based on a conservative foundation. The great thing about America is we have as citizens the ability to vote out those that don't perform to our standards. Lately expectations and standards can't be mentioned in the same breath and this administration.
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
This is where we disagree, liberal policies all lead to the same end result a socialistic society where we take from one and give to another based on someone else deciding what is the best for the whole of society. Not only does it ruin incentive, but divides populations. To say there are countless examples would lessen historical facts with needless typing. It's an overused quote but it fits perfectly, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money."
I am not against our first amendment rights, lets take a stretch and say the whole of government was conservative. Would that stop protesting in the streets for change? I think not, is anything it would increase dramatically.
Interestingly you mention only communist dictators. The ultimate liberal progressive examples, and might I say the most extreme. Must be why they don't last. The people finally rise up after decades of communist opression where millions are murdered and try to take there country back or the hand of their expansive reach of power goes to far and gets chopped off.
I never said you couldn't have competing ideas, I just want them based on a conservative foundation. The great thing about America is we have as citizens the ability to vote out those that don't perform to our standards. Lately expectations and standards can't be mentioned in the same breath and this administration.
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
I'm not missing the point at all, the bulk of the ill's of this country are the result of liberal policies. I understand exactly what you're saying you want an arena of competing ideas. If my choice is liberalism then I say no. 25% isn't accurate either, as of 2013, self-identified conservatives stand at 34%, moderates at 38%, and liberals at 23%. And I think moderates move towards conservative.
Is this what you ask of the Chinese?
This is what makes America great as I said before we can vote out anyone we think isn't doing as the electorate wants. Hence the reason I always vote conservative when I can find one.
Of course I accept the alternative of an all liberal government are we not close to that now? Again this is the American way, we have no one but ourselves to blame for the current problems our government has put us in.
For those of us like yourself who stay focused and involved in our country enough can't be said, it's the ones the spend their free time watching the propaganda box being clueless to the world and their own government. They are fed a steady stream of propaganda creating a society based on someone elses opinions, leading in a direction that is often detrimental to the citizenry.
These are all dictators and What does every dictator have in common? Self Centered government that profits from the labor of the masses for those in the good graces at the top. What's the difference between this and communism? Might I remind you theory is different than reality, in your answer.
It seems to me you are the one with a predefined idea of what a conservative idea is, I have yet to mention an example. I have only mentioned the word. How you define conservatism is the narrow view of which you perceive your reality.
originally posted by: spurgeonatorsrevenge
Remember when Reagan armed the Iranians and the Taliban...
Did Republicans bat one lash?
I hope Obama defies these hypocrites til his dying day
originally posted by: spurgeonatorsrevenge
Remember when Reagan armed the Iranians and the Taliban...
Did Republicans bat one lash?
I hope Obama defies these hypocrites til his dying day
originally posted by: Xcathdra
The 9 to nothing vote against Obama and his appointments to the NLRB by SCOTUS, ruling it unconstitutional, should have been a wake up call.
In a rebuke to President Barack Obama, the Supreme Court struck down three of his recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board as unconstitutional.
The decision Thursday gives the Senate broad power to thwart future recess appointments, but did not go as far as some conservatives hoped to undercut the president’s ability to fill vacant executive branch posts and judicial slots.
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The court ruled 9-0 that Obama’s appointments were unconstitutional because the Senate was not truly in recess when he made them during a three-day break in pro forma meetings of the legislative body.
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