The pope condemns personal relationship with Christ

a reply to: BO XIAN

Memorization without true faith or understanding or heeding is as a tree that brings forth no fruit or faith without works, they were called those names because unlike you he was unimpressed by the information they retained so well but just as satan filled with pride in themselves could not see the truth before them, careful not to fall into the same trap they did...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

I agree that the RELIGIOUS EXERCISE OF MEMORIZING THE SCRIPTURES

did the Pharisees no lasting good spiritually or otherwise . . . except maybe to strengthen their memorization capacities of written text.

I do believe and am Born Again by His Mercy and Grace.
But am not RC and never will be.
a reply to: colbe

a reply to: BO XIAN

Humble yourself before The Lord and thank him for needing you and not giving up on you as he could have willed it all away and started over...

a reply to: BO XIAN

I agree that the RELIGIOUS EXERCISE OF MEMORIZING THE SCRIPTURES

hm... Perhaps they're memorizing the wrong ones?

Why is it so many Christians don't know the gospels if this is true?

a reply to: 5StarOracle

It seems to me inescapable that your construction on such issues

leaves Almighty God

at the mercy of our love for Him or the absence of it.

God is not at anyone's mercy about any thing in any context ever.

a reply to: Akragon

The Pharisees weren't Christians.

LOL.

a reply to: BO XIAN

Obviously I wasn't talking about them...

You said the religious practice memorizing scripture...

I tend to believe the religious practice listening to their preacher... and know little to nothing about what scripture actually says

a reply to: BO XIAN
You are blind and slippery you deny yourself as well as him and deny or fail to see his love for you or is it love you have no understanding of? One in the same God is love and his love is greater than ours therefore his need of us is greater the truth is not about inflating your ego while painting a false picture of the almighty...

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: colbe

Jeff K is a friend of mine.

I don't know that he sees the meaning of that the same as you do.

I'll try and remember to ask him the next call we have.

Jeff is a Protestant prophet of the Eucharist. It will take God personally, the arguing over the protest of the Faith
goes on and on...

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: colbe

Ahhhh but you imputed a meaning to my words that I did not intend.

When Christ erases the divisions, it will NOT be in favor of the RCC nor any other human organized expression of Christianity. No way.

Just as He did when He walked dusty paths in Jerusalem and Nazareth . . . He will slice katty-wumpus across almost all human sensibilities and certainly almost all organizational human sensibilities and perspectives.

He's not coming to improve, overhaul, clean up, or refine human edifices or sensibilities. He's coming to trash them and set up HIS OWN REIGN HIS OWN WAYS WITH AN ABSOLUTELY PURIFIED GOSPEL IN WORD AND IN APPLICATION.

If you doubt HIS attitude regarding Pharisaical professional ecclesiastical pontificators, then print out all the verses in the Gospels about His comments to the Pharisees and about them . . . and just read all those in one sitting.

And THOSE Pharisees had the whole Torah etc. MEMORIZED. I doubt any Popes or RCC scholars ever did that.

They were master rationalizers and justifiers of all their elaborated additions to Moses' law and customs. Yet, Christ called them whitewashed tombs--a startling thing to call a Jew . . . as well as vipers . . . and sons of the devil.

God is NOT ABOUT TO ALLOW ANY group of Christians in Heaven to gloat about being members of "the most holy, truest, truly true and accurate exclusively correct club of Christians." ALL man's Christian organizations will be revealed to be thoroughly flawed to grossly corrupt AT BEST.

Just as He declared that no flesh would glory in His presence. No fleshly organization will, either.

And that's one reason Pope Frances' words in the OP are so . . . hazardous.

Jesus is trying to tell you in Protestant prophetic. Oh well...instead your comment with CAPS...

So, we haven't known His "ways" for 2000 years? And I thought He is God, His Word in the Gospel and in Tradition
and in Prophecy are already inerrant, they do not need to be "purified."

The forever vague, general, NEVER anything specific of what Our Lord is returning to do and to reveal. That is the Protestant way. Why return if things are to remain the same? Please, you haven't stated what is "New", what is the "change", the "understanding of higher things", how about the "unity" of belief ahead which is repeated every day in the Protestant messages from Heaven.

The Catholic messages do NOT say this, they say hang on to the Faith, far worse persecution is coming, the Church
is going to go through a Calvary like her founder.

I just posted an obvious message to a Protestant messenger about the Eucharist, no response.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: charles1952

For me, failure to be in love with God and praise Him for His goodness, is an indication of something broken inside of us. Just as you wish that your wife and your friend could see and understand beauty, God wishes us to see and understand the truth and beauty that is His Majesty. It's not something He needs to be whole, it's something we need to be whole.

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

I GREATLY AGREE.

For you and colbe . . .


EXO-VATICANA CRIS PUTNAM & TOM HORN
[BoX bold and color emphases added as usual] From the cover of the paperback 600 page summary of their research:

“Christians will not immediately need to renounce their faith in God “simply on the basis of the reception of [this] new, unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations." However, once the “religious content” originating from outside the earth “has been verified” they will have to conduct “a re-reading [of the Gospel] inclusive of the new data . . . “ --Vatican Astronomer [Connected with Opus Dei] Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti

.

There’s not a hint of how to overcome the absurdly impossible WAY, METHOD(S) of verifying something from purportedly Orion or Alpha Centauri etc. when we are the ones with the
--inferior mechanical technologies
--inferior brain tricking technologies
--inferior ‘Holodeck” technologies
--inferior transportation technologies
--inferior spiritual discernments evidently available at the top levels of government.

= = = =

The above . . . outraged me and grieved me immediately on reading it. I grieve for the millions of RC's around the world all set-up to follow the Pied Piper down the yellow brick road after the Eloi into the maws of the Morlachs.

The fallen angel/ET critter at Fatima was just the first major GREAT DECEPTION salvo toward that end.

St Paul warned us . . . EVEN IF an angel FROM HEAVEN came preaching ANY OTHER GOSPEL, consider him accursed.

As well they are . . . as well all the fallen angels are.

I don't know how Charles will react. I just saw this. How dare you call Our Lord's mother a "critter." Scientists, atheists there at Fatima gave testimony to the "miracle of the sun", October 13, 1917. Tell everyone how Satan
desires and has brought millions of people to Christ with the help His mother? This is the fruit of her many apparitions through 2000 years of Christianity.

The repeated same old misinterpretation of 2 Thess 2:11, the "GREAT DECEPTION" verse. After the prophesied
"awakening", Catholics hear it called the Warning in prophecy, if you reject God's merciful showing you the Faith, your choice, He will let you go on believing the lie.

God wants us all to believe the same, always has. Jesus established the Faith, RC, Protestantism broke away. Our Lord is going to show you and me, all the world. He loves all of us, non-Christians too. The "ANY OTHER GOSPEL" Paul is talking about are the heresies of Protestantism and the early heresies.

The Churches are non-profit corporations.

It must be a copyright infringement kind of thing.

Only imaginary corporate persons can have a relationship with an imaginary creator or imaginary son of an imaginary creator.

Imaginary persons are the only one's who have the right to recognize imaginary anything.

a reply to: Akragon

I've not found many Christians today who memorize Scripture . . . who are Pharisees. Most are earnestly and lovingly working to

'HIDE HIS WORD IN THEIR HEARTS . . . that they might not sin and that they might have a closer relationship with the Author.'

It's others who are EXTRINSIC BELIEVERS [a technical, research based term] who put their RELIGION on and off like a coat for business, social or whatever EXTRINSIC reasons . . . who don't know that much about the Gospel or about walking it out in the nitty gritty through thick and thin.

a reply to: Nochzwei

I generally agree with you on that score.

However, many RC's are very intent on a personal relationship with Jesus, Father, Spirit . . . . we might say . . . virtually in spite of the edifice and the meme's customs and . . . stuff . . . of the edifice.

But . . . that can be true in lots of Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist and even Pentecostal congregations, too. Many folks are EXTRINSIC vs INTRINSIC [technical, research based terms] believers--usually for ATTACHMENT/PSYCHO-DYNAMIC human relationship reasons.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

The minute you see power and domination you've left the safe floors of the infinite building and are in the devil's playground, the pyramid realms. And if in those as we currently are, we need to wear our clean underwear and rise above the negative world and zone, or we can fall lower even, and then enter under the dominion of, or give permissions to the dark side to mess with us.



Its very simple to understand. Paul for all his controversy and layers of meaning in the bible, from trojan horse for Rome to establish their Chruch to true gnostic (perhaps the one they took the concept from and then killed so he couldn't reveal that they had changed the meaning, because he was in Rome, at the time of Seneca where it looked like Christians would be given safety and then it all turned around on him and them, which probably had to do with the whole, gnostic and real Christians versus a plan to extradite some key points and create a more controlling and childish religion, to keep everyone as children, repeating the grade). Now many Christians that I grew up with, simply sidestep their traps by only choosing the good passages, knowing God is Love and debate in great depth and often with great interest, all the revelations and gnosis and lost scrolls found, and who Mary Magdalen was, they're very open minded, like my grandmother and many of her relatives, who's numbers were high enough to cause the Catholic Church to be built in our town, for they were amongst 17 children.

God is humble of heart. Who worships who, the child worships the parent, or does the parent adore every little toe of their baby? What is Love? Domination and thrones or something else.

It is actually The Equality. And Family model, as Above, so Below, Father/Mother and Son/Daughter does seem to express what is needed here. No lord lord, king king.

Most of all, God is Spirit and no respecter of persons, ie what religion you belong to, but respects goodness and love and kind actions. And thats in the bible.

Acts 10 34-35.

originally posted by: colbe

I am very happy you believe in prophecy, quite a few at ATS do not. I try to change their minds (hearts), really.

My mother asked our close friend and my Jr High Pastor to teach on Revelation and Bible prophecy. Which, he did rather well about 1962. It's been a favorite topic of mine ever since. Wow. 52 years worth. That's how long I've studied UFO's too.

I have reduced my scanning of prophetic sites and have reduced the intensity with which I poured over such information. The enemy will do whatever he will do. God warned us in His Word and via various prophetic sources and still does.

Yet, what will be, will be. We can only prep our hearts, minds, spirits, homes, families to a limited degree--even if we were billionaires. God will still have to fill in the gaps and be our high tower, Protector, Shelter, Provider, Father . . . regardless of circumstances and regardless of the current events in the END TIMES script, sequence, schedule of events.

There are a lot of current messages because God knows our fallen nature, people today do NOT believe the prophets, like in the past. And we are in times of fulfillment.

Welllllllllll, frankly, there's a LOT OF DECEPTION and garbage in the prophetic world--including the Pentecostal prophetic world. Some of it is misguided enemy contamingated junk. Some of it is presumption and ego based nonsense. Some of it is simply miss-hearing. Some of it is out of The Lord's timing.

HE WILL BE CLEANING THAT MESS UP as He will be cleaning up many lives of many preachers, evangelists etc. and anointing them in dramatically different and new ways in coming months and several years, imho.

You might check out Wendy Alec's books--very anointed, imho . . . on Amazon Kindle:

JOURNAL OF AN UNKNOWN PROPHET

and

VISIONS FROM HEAVEN

Both have been very encouraging and redemptive for me.

Visions From Heaven talks about the long dark night of the soul--Job-type testing desert. Evidently quite a number are being put through such the last number of years.

So, God speaks and He does daily. And reason why each messenger's style is different, God respects the messenger, revealing what He wishes in their manner of thinking and talking. You do see in reading the daily messages from Heaven, the approved and yet to be approved by the Church, All of them agree on the sequence of end time events, the Millennial reign coming and the mystical prophesied during both.

I agree that the authentically anointed prophets

1. flavor their messages with their own personalities as was true with the Apostle Paul, Peter, Luke etc.

2. are in agreement across denominations and backgrounds . . . to the degree that they are truly broken and humble before God and focused on HIM, HIS FACE and then HIS WORK THROUGH THEM regardless of everything else.

3. Nevertheless, imho, it can still be too often that almost all of them have bits or quirks that can be in the flesh, not anointed and not from God. I think God is increasingly cleansing the authentic of such junk.

4. I think that's a big part of what desert, long dark night of the soul experiences are about.

And important...the non-Catholic Christian prophetic lines up. There is one end time.

All authentic prophets of God are in agreement--certainly on the essentials.

I love Holy Scripture, at Sunday Mass, there are four readings. I do need to read the Bible more on my own. When Bible apologists quote and explain the Old Testament and the Gospel, it blows you over, everything Jesus states is perfectly said!!!

INDEED. Blessed to read that paragraph.

It sounds like you have a real Love of The Lord Jesus, Father, Spirit. GOOD.

However, sorry, but I feel compelled to give you a warning . . . Holy Spirit can confirm whether it is a prophetic warning, or not.

The LORD GOD HIMSELF will, at some point, increasingly insist on detaching you from EVERYTHING which might in the least degree compete with your affections FOR HIM, your trust in HIM vs everything else; your allegiances to HIM vs EVERYTHING ELSE.. And that includes the RCC.

I realize that you may find that incomprehensible at this point. However, given your genuine heart for Him, it will be part of His "Severe Mercy" for you.

I don't know if you ever read the C.S. Lewis related book by that title: A SEVERE MERCY. A sobering but worthy read.

One favorite of mine, who helps you understand Church teaching using Scripture is John Salza. Read any of his writings.

It Seems like I've come across him before but don't know that I've read much of him. Have made a note of him to check his writings out. Thanks.

Blessings,

a reply to: charles1952

The majority are wrong. And also the fundamentalism that they believe in is the opposite of God/Spirit and truth and turning this into the materialism and world that is what is called satan, the renegade/negative entities/ets, is tragic. The actual materialism and concrete outer church is beast. We're here to connect within to Spirit and our answers and rise above that. Its like the giant game of snakes and ladders, happy thoughts and goodness and overcoming the dense gravity of this material realm (gravity = harm or unbalance in magnetism) and gaining spirit wings or angel wings, or we go down that material jungle snake to lower and more dense realms.

The very clues as to their error is in the bible, and yet many ignore and when they start to see them, the key opens the scriptures.

In my case, Matthew 13, had a clue, to ask directly that your eyes and ears be opened and so to deprogram. I started requesting and then spontaneously did a search for pineal and silver cord in the bible. And from then on had Spirit within actually take charge and translate Isaiah 28.

Well aware that it is not a popular translation, but I still give it from time to time. Because when people are in boxes, they need to have windows carved in. And because Im here to shake a few trees and nudge some turn arounds, hopefully. But in the end, its only by being directed within, where we get our real answers.

Now I can have a passage come up where someone is insisting on a literal translation and the meaning leaps out to me.

But there are layers upon layers. As one with inside info shared to me, its like saying, a dark code and a light code. And the dark code is there, based sometimes on etymologies and associations, to lead always to Bad Wolf or the top predator of the cosmos in their minds.

But the light codes in real time, with the intention of your heart bringing the true pearl of the passage out.

An example of this would be, Peter being told he is the rock and upon this rock God will build his Church and then a bit about "loosing" and "binding".


There are so many allegories here, but if you have been directed to Electric Universe and Holographic Universe and encounters relating to information coming as if , once you hit on it the teacher arrives, in abundance.
And an interactive universe at that, we color the page though there is an outline, its our input that creates the positive/negative and unique.

And also bear in mind, that sweet pleaides is unbound and orion is bound in the bible.

Now the interpretation that was given inside: Peter is lower mind, rash and emotional. He is like a baby coming into the world, not a bad man, actually very very good. But has not overcome his lower mind natural body suit/beast yet. But due to his innate intelligence and zeal for goodness, he is he will overcome his lower self and become Higher Mind as John is, and become the Temple for Spirit, as we are the Temple for Divine Spirit when we overcome our lower form.

And also, as we do good, in thought, word and deed, Good comes in (wonder if they're referring to pleaides or something, in the Electric Universe is highly energetic and not exactly young, more of an input system that grass roots natives honor as their spiritual home/gateway), that is just an extra thought, as the bible does bring up two systems in relation to binding and loosing.

The more harm and domination and control we do, the more that like unto like element has access and the negative side comes in.

As we develop talents and open ways here, back home, we've grown bigger.

Its not about popularity If truth was popular, earth would ascend. Its more of a "shine light in darkness" kind of deal.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

I think there are mysteries in this area of discussion that are not comprehensible to us in our finiteness.

I'm merely utterly convinced that:

1. God does have an utterly consuming passionate love for us.

2. God is complete in Himself and does not "need" us in any conventional sense.

3. God IS touched with the feelings of our infirmities and cries over us as well as sings over us.

a reply to: Unity_99

All must humble themselved before the Lord i have said nothing to deny that however his love and desire to insure our return is his greatest need as he needs for nothing else how much more simple could i say it?

i could never be convinced that he needs of nothing...

Robbed of us by satan our well being is his only plight...