Government arresting people for anti Obama facebook post.

a reply to: Nyiah

The difference between them not being arrested, and other vocal people being arrested seems pretty clear to me: Never. Directly. Threaten. Lives.

How many people in this thread are going to regurgitate the same nonsense without actually knowing the facts? He was not charged with making threats against the life of any person, his sanity was put into question for posting conspiracy rants on FB. He was sent to a mental home without being charged with anything.

If people allow themselves to be arrested in a country where the constitution explicitly says own a gun so this doesn't happen - they deserve it.

The reason things have got so bad is because we think as individuals and aren't willing to make the same sacrifice our ancestors did.

Gee, is this all a part if that, "You have the freedom of speech, you just have to deal with the consequences!" I keep seeing in hundreds of other threads?

So, let me get this right. What's good for anyone else isn't good for Obama? Did I miss something?

Either speech is free, or, it is not.

Either you face consequences, or, you do not.

Do you defend one man's right to say what he will, no matter how poisonous, hateful, or disgusting you may find it? Or, don't you?

You cannot pick and choose what speech is free, and which is not.

Racism isn't pretty. Nor hate speech. Nor any speech that you may personally disagree with. But, do you defend, with all of your might, that persons' rights to speak it? Or, do you wish to pick and choose what speech is alright, as long as you agree?

Some people on ATS are very hypocritical when it comes to alleged free speech, going so far as to wanting to control what others can, or cannot say. Even agreeing people should lose their jobs, or more, over certain types of speech, because well, "Those are the consequences!"

So, that doesn't make that speech so free, does it? Hampering speech out of fear of any reprisal, changes it to not so free, doesn't it?

So, we have people with consequences. But, some don't agree with those consequences now?

How very hypocritical.

You now want to pick and choose the consequences?

Do you not see that picking and choosing what is and is not free speech led to this? You gave an inch, they took a mike. As always.

At the first offense against free speech, if you didn't like it, you should have objected, en mass, and left Facebook. Those remaining only foment the idea this is ok. Sure, it is their house. Don't like it? No one is forcing you to stay. By doing so, you give silent complicity, and have zero to complain about.

Even agreeing people should lose their jobs, or more, over certain types of speech, because well, "Those are the consequences!"

You're kidding, right?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Eggsellent post! (spelled wrong for humor's sake)

Frankly, I loved seeing all of the claws and nails and crosses that came out over what amounted to, as you said, an idiot.

I harken back, however, to a post I made, about why the government is tracking every cellphone, text, email, etc., that is made. And, quite simply put, it is to silence any eruption, whatsoever, of any spec of a hint of a grain of sand of a "Revolution".

Couple this with the continuous onslaught of doom porn about DHS and the Administration gearing up for "Civil Unrest", and by George, we have a winner!

Thanks for going "where no man has gone before", at least in this thread. It needed a spec of truth and honesty.

In the meantime, hopefully some folks might go look in the mirror, but sadly, the, "You can't mean ME!" disease is becoming rampant in our society.

originally posted by: roadgravel

Even agreeing people should lose their jobs, or more, over certain types of speech, because well, "Those are the consequences!"

You're kidding, right?

No. Should I be?

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
Why are you so sure he made threatening remarks?

If you look around the net you can find the actual posts that got him into hot water, such as the one about the axe.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I remember reading through his FB page back when this story first broke and I could find no threatening remarks at all.

Facebook, just like ATS would not allow such a post to remain on the board for public consumption. So just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
When the story first broke it was established that the FB post which got him detained was the quote I included in my last post.

According to whom?

This is such crap.

I've had email forwards and Facebook links from rabid Obama haters for years... uncles, cousins, in laws, my daddy..they're all still posting crap about the prez on Facebook and you are all still posting on ATS.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
This is such crap.

I've had email forwards and Facebook links from rabid Obama haters for years... uncles, cousins, in laws, my daddy..they're all still posting crap about the prez on Facebook and you are all still posting on ATS.

HELP! I'm being held in a mental institute against my will. All I did was post on Facebook that I think Obama is a big stinky cheese ball, and should be rolled in nuts so he fits in with the rest of his administration.

They are only feeding me stale rancid cheese balls from Christmas before last...help me....please...

KJ...you are correct. They'll arrest people for refusing to eat GMO food, before they arrest Obama haters from Facebook.

Though, Facebook has been known to delete a lot of anti Obama posts...

Des

To all claiming this does not happen..it sort of does, i know someone it did happen to..not the checked into a mental institution but the ..oh its the secret service knocking at the door, your coming with us..also confiscating all devices like puter, cellphone..etc, he did get them back and no charges but it was a stupid comment made in a private email between 2 private individuals.
This was maybee 3-4 yrs ago and buddy lives in Texas.

I think the OP's title should be : FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:Government arresting people for anti Obama facebook post.

This is just good old fashion lying. What's even scarier is the ATS posters who just look at the title and chime in like it is true. Whatever happened to actually clicking on a link and doing some basic research?

If it's a picture of a UFO people break out the magnifying glasses. If it's a political headline some people just go into cruise control and nod their heads.

This should be moved to the hoax bin.

originally posted by: defcon5

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
Why are you so sure he made threatening remarks?

If you look around the net you can find the actual posts that got him into hot water, such as the one about the axe.

He was talking about a VIDEO GAME and it was obvious if you read his FB posts that the conversation had nothing to do with actually sharpening an axe and severing heads in real life. That was never really the post which got him sent to a psych ward.

His legal team says that August 13 post isn't what it seemed.

"All he was doing was expressing himself in a Facebook game," said Whitehead. "Quoting some lyrics from a rock group called 'Swollen Members' They were joking around.

www.nbc12.com...

So just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

There's a little thing called Google cache.

According to whom?

According to multiple news sources back when the story first broke.

On August 20 the 26-year-old Marine veteran was committed to a psych ward for up to 30 days after he was detained on August 16 in connection to Facebook posts that are critical of the official story regarding 9/11 and refer to “starting a revolution.”

www.businessinsider.com.au...

Not everything is “free speech” under US law.
1) Hate Speech.
2) Threats.
3) Obscenity.
4) Inciting a riot.
5) Causing a panic.
Any of these done, even “jokingly” is still actionable. Of course when you go to arrest anyone for this they are all going to claim that they “weren't serious” or were “just joking”.

Being an ex-airline person, I've seen quite a number of “jokesters” be lead away for questioning by the airport police over the years (going back to the early 1990's well before 911 or Obama). There is a time and a place for certain joking remarks, and a time and place where they can get you in a great deal of trouble.

a reply to: defcon5

There is a time and a place for certain joking remarks, and a time and place where they can get you in a great deal of trouble.

Facebook is not the wrong place for making jokes related to a video game, people do it EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Of course when you go to arrest anyone for this they are all going to claim that they “weren't serious” or were “just joking”.

It's obvious that it was a joke related to a video game if you read the context in which it was said, that's why he didn't get in any trouble for that post, he wasn't charged for making any type of threat. He was sent to a psych ward for his conspiracy rants about 9/11 and similar things.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder
If it was so obvious, then why did his facebook “friends” turn him in to the mods to begin with?

originally posted by: defcon5
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
If it was so obvious, then why did his facebook “friends” turn him in to the mods to begin with?

I don't recall reading that his friends did anything, I'm fairly certain he was being watched for a long time, they mention in the OP's video there is a program for monitoring returning veterans. He was probably one of the veterans they were monitoring and they saw all his anti-government rhetoric and decided to take action. And the action they took was clearly not motivated by the axe post, he was sent to a psych ward based on his belief in conspiracy theories. It was obvious the axe post was a joke and that's why he was never charged with making any threats. How you can even defend this bullcrap is beyond me.

Facebook.."friends"..lmao

Chicago Gangster At Its Finest.

Nothing New Move Along.

You guys don't remember when former Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley held a rifle and threatened to shoot a journalist who asked him how effective was the city's gun ban after the whole spill of Daley blatantly saying he would ignore the SC ruling on the city's gun ban? You don't remember the journalist saying he would shoot him back and WOUND UP ARRESTED?

Nothing to see here.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder
No way, there is so much anti-Obama crap on facebook they couldn't track it all with echelon turned on it 100% all the time. He was turned in by someone for making posts that someone reported as being threatening. Hell, if it was as simple as not liking Obama, and sending out anti-obama emails, posts, jokes, etc... I've known folks that would end up in Guantanamo. Heck, half ATS's members would disappear overnight.

a reply to: defcon5

Oh you think it would be hard for them to track veterans and keep and eye on their activities? What kind of fairy tale land are you living in? Many sources report that Brandon was spotted by Operation Vigilant Eagle, but none appear to say his friends reported him. And the title of this thread is completely misleading, I don't think he ever mentioned Obama's name directly. He just spoke about the government in general and how it was corrupt. All the sources from back when this article broke specifically state he was sent a psych ward for his conspiratorial posts. Your theory about the axe post and his friends reporting him has no substantiation as far as I can see.