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originally posted by: Arnie123
a reply to: Kryties
honestly, your extreme anti west rhetoric tells me you care nothing for America or its citizens.
originally posted by: eriktheawful
except that I hope it's my government they are talking about, and not me, nor my country itself, because again:
It's the people that make the country.......not the government.
originally posted by: simsumre
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: simsumre
a reply to: Kryties
Americans are not their Government. You'll find that most Americans don't agree with what their Government is doing on many issues.
So who votes them in then? The ruling class? If that isn't tyranny then I don't know what is, and if the American people have realised this then why haven't they done anything about it?
There are those that want this in America. Those that honestly believe that Capitalism is bad and that Socialism is the answer. Is that by chance? Who teaches at the universities? Progressive Liberals with a Socialist agenda. But when that doesn't work just open up the border, grant mass amnesty and create your own vote.
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
With that in mind, do you see how ridiculous your statement above is?
Errr, it is my understanding that America is a democratic country, one person - one vote. Meaning that either the American people are letting this tyranny happen to them by continually voting in bad governments, or the ruling class have taken over your elections and rigged them, and the American people, with their "right to bear arms' against tyrannous governments, have not done a damn thing about it.
Thats how much of the rest of the world sees the situation, in a nutshell.
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originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: eriktheawful
except that I hope it's my government they are talking about, and not me, nor my country itself, because again:
It's the people that make the country.......not the government.
I almost fully agree except for the fact, which I have stated before, that the 'people' are the ones responsible for the actions of their government by voting them in. If the government is acting in a tyrannous manner then the people get rid of it - which has simply not happened.
originally posted by: eriktheawful
Or should you hold the man who lied responsible instead?
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: eriktheawful
Or should you hold the man who lied responsible instead?
Absolutely, except that nobody is - and therein lies the crux of the issue.
Honestly, the rest of the world would rejoice and throw parties and probably have cake if the American people actually stood up and did what they are very good at bellowing about, which is topple a tyrannous government.
originally posted by: eriktheawful
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: eriktheawful
Or should you hold the man who lied responsible instead?
Absolutely, except that nobody is - and therein lies the crux of the issue.
Honestly, the rest of the world would rejoice and throw parties and probably have cake if the American people actually stood up and did what they are very good at bellowing about, which is topple a tyrannous government.
Sorry, but that is the MOST hypocritical thing you've said yet.
That is just about exactly what people did when Obama was voted into office back in 2008. You all even gave him the Nobel Peace prize.
The entire world (especially Europe) seemed very, very happy when Obama took office.
So who should we have voted for instead? McCain? Or should we have put Romney in office in 2012? I wrote in Gary Johnson myself.
All you just did is further show what I said: people vote in good faith. What their leaders do after being voted in may not be what they were promised.
originally posted by: alldaylong
originally posted by: eriktheawful
originally posted by: Kryties
originally posted by: eriktheawful
Or should you hold the man who lied responsible instead?
Absolutely, except that nobody is - and therein lies the crux of the issue.
Honestly, the rest of the world would rejoice and throw parties and probably have cake if the American people actually stood up and did what they are very good at bellowing about, which is topple a tyrannous government.
Sorry, but that is the MOST hypocritical thing you've said yet.
That is just about exactly what people did when Obama was voted into office back in 2008. You all even gave him the Nobel Peace prize.
The entire world (especially Europe) seemed very, very happy when Obama took office.
So who should we have voted for instead? McCain? Or should we have put Romney in office in 2012? I wrote in Gary Johnson myself.
All you just did is further show what I said: people vote in good faith. What their leaders do after being voted in may not be what they were promised.
Britain was not so happy when Obama was elected. He appeared to have an anti-British rhetoric back in 2008.
However since then , he appears to have a far more pro-British stance. I think when he actually came to Britain, it was not how he expected it to be.
originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: eriktheawful
I wasn't talking about the voting of people into office, which has clearly been corrupted. I was talking about the American people bellowing on for decades about how they defeated the tyrannous British and have the 'right to bear arms' for the purpose of keeping that tyranny away and yet a clearly tyrannous regime (both parties) have taken over and yet none of the bellowing about fighting tyranny is actually being acted upon.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein.
originally posted by: eriktheawful
Do you live here? Yes or no?
As it is, quality of life for most here is much better than for many people across the world.
We don't "bellow on" about the revolutionary war.
Do you not have a part of your history that you are proud of from you country? Everyone that I have met from other countries do have at least some part of their history that they are proud of and celebrate.
Is it a crime to do so?
originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: Kryties
Please quote in any of my posts in this thread where I argued that "America is great and powerful".
originally posted by: eriktheawful
Instead, you'll judge me and my country by how my government acts, and by things you read, such as forum posts.