How will the world remember America?

I believe America's "golden age" was the 50s. Now I'm not some old hat (no offense to older gentlemen), and I've never lived through that time period, but it seemed like everything just worked right back then. Sure we had racial issues (we still do today), but we had a working class. A true middle class that could afford to live comfortably while still being able to go on yearly vacations. We were the leading the world in production, infrastructure and eduction.

When I think about "the American dream", I basically think about the 50s. I'm sure black Americans would disagree, and I don't blame them, but for the majority in this country, that would be the golden age.

That said, I don't think that's how we'll be remembered. Sadly, the Roman Republic is barely even mentioned, it's always the empire. America being the apple of the world's eye means nothing when we've terrorized the world for the past 30 years. World police while our entire infrastructure crumbles is how we'll be remembered.

a reply to: simsumre

As someone who is not American, I (and many others) view America as the worlds bully. America is so interested only in whats good for America that it has come at the expense of the rest of the world. The rest of us are sick and tired of hearing about how good "The Great and Almighty America" is when we look in at you guys in bewilderment at the way you treat your own citizens and the rest of the world with utter disregard for anything but your own selfish needs. The "American" drive to be successful at all costs, and the each man for himself mentality, has created a complete mess out of what was once a promising and great country.

Don't even get me started on the subject of Americans and their guns either, it's completely hypocritical to suggest America needs it's guns to fight "tyranny" when that's exactly whats been occurring for the last couple of decades and yet no American has done a damn thing about it. I'm almost starting to think that you guys should be allowed to keep your gun laws the way they are so as to thin out the population of America a bit (through ever-increasing mass shootings) so perhaps there would be less Americans to wave the flag and contribute to screwing the world up.

You would be hard-pressed to find too many 'non-Americans' who don't think that America has had it's day and needs to fade away.

a reply to: simsumre

I am saddened by what I see in America.

Even basic math skills. I saw a nurse in Mexico trying to hang an IV. They don't use bags, as they can recycle something a little more substantial (like a plastic that is thicker). And the IV equipment didn't work properly. So they just did the math on the drip, and set it up without the machines.

My wife, a nurse, commented on how nurses "back home" in the US would have been unable to do the simple math to set up a drip.

It gets worse than that. Things you would think are simple and basic, people just don't have the skills. Simple things like tracking your hours and pay to keep the boss honest, or calculating tax. Or netting out tax. Very simple, very basic math skills that should be learned in high school before graduation.

Are we capable of more? Certainly. But we are underachievers, living off the laurels of our fathers and grandfathers.

It wont.

Just like it doesn't remember the great civilisations of the remote past.

It's a kind of metaphor for our own lives.

The world quickly forgets us once we're under ground.

In a few hundred years, I don't think it would be too far-fetched for the US to be described as an insidious ideological zealot nation, and forceful. In other words, I doubt we'll be remembered as anything but one of history's many former less-than-loved heavy hitters.

a reply to: Kryties

I agree on most of your points, but I do think that grown adults (no matter the country) can and should be trusted to protect themselves. We're not children. But I don't want to make this into a guns debate, so let's just leave it there.

Americans are not their Government. You'll find that most Americans don't agree with what their Government is doing on many issues. We have an out of control ruling class that think they're God. And why shouldn't they? Nobody stops them... hell, nobody even jails them.

I don't think the country needs to "fade away", as you put it. But it does need some real leadership that stops treating the world like it can walk over it. That's not what defines "exceptional", that's what defines a tyrant.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Math? What math? It may come as a shock to folks. At least it did me. However, calculators in even basic math are not 'optional' these days. Students actually sued to have them in at the college I'm at on the basis they were taught that way in high school and it wasn't fair to change it like that. (sigh)

I tried arguing with a math teacher about how I really needed to learn this manual, not calculator, and she made a big joke out of it with how 'gee.. a big calculator virus could come along and we wouldn't' have any anymore!'. I didn't know whether to scream or cry... I just kinda sighed and went back to sit down. Convinced learning to the cheat system was standard operating procedure these days.

It was totally and completely lost on this person (also a high school teacher) that not EVERY place in on Earth has calculators coming out of their tails like bad gas at a chili-fest. I just couldn't quite communicate how damned stupid every adult in that room would look in any number of nations around the world today that actually TEACH math, not just show the tricks and calculator shortcuts to get to an answer fit for the test.

originally posted by: simsumre
a reply to: Kryties

Americans are not their Government. You'll find that most Americans don't agree with what their Government is doing on many issues.

So who votes them in then? The ruling class? If that isn't tyranny then I don't know what is, and if the American people have realised this then why haven't they done anything about it?

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: simsumre
a reply to: Kryties

Americans are not their Government. You'll find that most Americans don't agree with what their Government is doing on many issues.

So who votes them in then? The ruling class? If that isn't tyranny then I don't know what is, and if the American people have realised this then why haven't they done anything about it?

There are those that want this in America. Those that honestly believe that Capitalism is bad and that Socialism is the answer. Is that by chance? Who teaches at the universities? Progressive Liberals with a Socialist agenda. But when that doesn't work just open up the border, grant mass amnesty and create your own vote.

While we discuss how the world will remember America it is vital to understand that American history is still being written. With that said, the story of America is that of a "New World" Empire, a rags to riches story of strategic alliances between colonial communities and their members that paved the way for modern Capitalist adventures.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: simsumre
a reply to: Kryties

Americans are not their Government. You'll find that most Americans don't agree with what their Government is doing on many issues.

So who votes them in then? The ruling class? If that isn't tyranny then I don't know what is, and if the American people have realised this then why haven't they done anything about it?

"The American People" equals over 300mil individuals.

With that in mind, do you see how ridiculous your statement above is?

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: simsumre
a reply to: Kryties

Americans are not their Government. You'll find that most Americans don't agree with what their Government is doing on many issues.

So who votes them in then? The ruling class? If that isn't tyranny then I don't know what is, and if the American people have realised this then why haven't they done anything about it?

Laziness, Kryties, utter laziness. It's not so much reluctance to vote for something entirely new, or a fresh wet-behind-the-ears batch of the same, it's laziness. While most Americans like to talk big & chest-thump over where they stand politically, they won't lift a finger to change the status quo if it means actually doing something beyond babbling on Facebook about it. It's like the old man in his rocking chair complaining about what's on TV, but not bothering to lift the remote off the end table to change the channel. Socially, we're essentially that lazy old fart.

a reply to: simsumre

There has been a hostile but quiet takeover of the US government. Ever since that moment the US slowly changed into something dark. The changes are introduced very slowly in such a way that US citizens do not notice them... like boiling a frog.

The thing that a never did understand is why these things are hanging in the US senate. Never do you hear people talk about them but they are always right in the face of the US people.... and the world.



Maybe that will explain a lot about what is going on and what the goal of TPTB in america has been all along.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

It sounds like something out of Idiocracy.

"But it has electrolytes!"

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: simsumre
a reply to: Kryties

Americans are not their Government. You'll find that most Americans don't agree with what their Government is doing on many issues.

So who votes them in then? The ruling class? If that isn't tyranny then I don't know what is, and if the American people have realised this then why haven't they done anything about it?

Laziness, Kryties, utter laziness. It's not so much reluctance to vote for something entirely new, or a fresh wet-behind-the-ears batch of the same, it's laziness. While most Americans like to talk big & chest-thump over where they stand politically, they won't lift a finger to change the status quo if it means actually doing something beyond babbling on Facebook about it. It's like the old man in his rocking chair complaining about what's on TV, but not bothering to lift the remote off the end table to change the channel. Socially, we're essentially that lazy old fart.

I agree and that laziness is being taken as weakness. When American finally gets pissed off, when they can't eat or live, that sleeping giant is going to awaken. You can only poke an animal backed into a corner so long.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

With that in mind, do you see how ridiculous your statement above is?

Errr, it is my understanding that America is a democratic country, one person - one vote. Meaning that either the American people are letting this tyranny happen to them by continually voting in bad governments, or the ruling class have taken over your elections and rigged them, and the American people, with their "right to bear arms' against tyrannous governments, have not done a damn thing about it.

Thats how much of the rest of the world sees the situation, in a nutshell.

a reply to: Kryties

Who votes them in is the party faithful. Every election. Every time. Like clockwork. 40-55% election turnouts cover the 15-20% of each party and some tossed in for the non-party/non-politicals who vote because it's the right thing. Obviously, precious few of those.

Party people vote party and it could be Satan himself or Mickey Mouse with big ears and all...they'll still get voted by the party faithful, without much question or hesitation. Party before all and all for the party. The friggen mantra of the political fanatics.

If Ma and Pa Kettle would get off their butts, we...average people..would match or exceed the presence of the party hacks, hacking our system up..and we might even see a decent person or two become a candidate. Then, maybe even elected...

None of that will ever have a slight chance of happening while we can barely break 50% in a Presidential year to even get off the couch and vote at all.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

With that in mind, do you see how ridiculous your statement above is?

Errr, it is my understanding that America is a democratic country, one person - one vote. Meaning that either the American people are letting this tyranny happen to them by continually voting in bad governments, or the ruling class have taken over your elections and rigged them, and the American people, with their "right to bear arms' against tyrannous governments, have not done a damn thing about it.

Thats how much of the rest of the world sees the situation, in a nutshell.

And you'd be right, but what is the average American going to do when the Government militarizes the polices force by handing them tanks? Every precaution is being taken to boil the toad, as suggested above, until it's backed into a corner. The people orchestrating this know their history.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

This too. There are people that strictly vote their party regardless of who it is just because their dad and their grandfather were of the same party. It's like a football team to these people. They can do no wrong even as the entire country implodes from within. And they'll never admit that they've been played by this 2 party BS system.

originally posted by: simsumre

And you'd be right, but what is the average American going to do when the Government militarizes the polices force by handing them tanks? Every precaution is being taken to boil the toad, as suggested above, until it's backed into a corner. The people orchestrating this know their history.

Yes, "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

Roman Empire = American Empire.

We all know what happened to the Romans and it is almost a carbon copy of what is happening now in the US, but on a much larger scale meaning the fall is going to be momentous.