The Brown Shirts Are Here: Immigrant Children = Obama's National Security Force?

Just throwing this out there, since I haven't heard this actually said by anyone, not even by people like Alex Jones, Michael Savage or Jerry Doyle, who constantly wail and rail against federal policy.

With the welfare state approaching 50% of the population, it seems that the system has nearly been bled dry. If this trend continues, the quality of life for all Americans will decline, even the rich, as they will have to deal with a society on the verge of a mental and financial breakdown.

Now, more than ever, we hear about these truckloads of Hispanic illegals, especially children, being dumped and housed at military bases.
It seems to me that if these kids continue to be shipped to, and raised on military bases, they will pretty much end up having a military type of life, or at least a closely controlled one.

I have yet to hear what the government actually plans to do with all these people, but recent statements by Joe Biden indicate that this flood of non-citizens is exactly what the doctor ordered... but why?

I feel the logical answer is rooted in the impending, premeditated collapse of the economy, which you may or may not believe is happening. I personally believe that when the "need" for welfare finally exceeds taxpayer input, federal labor camps will become the only refuge for people with no means of providing for themselves or their families. And in order to run such labor camps, which will be much like undeclared prisons, there will have to be a security force to quell any uprisings. And who better than thousands of young people from another country with no other opportunities before them except being trained by the military and/or put into labor camps themselves?

I can image, given the choice, a young, newly indoctrinated immigrant would rather carry a rifle than use a shovel to earn a living.

(Just my $0.02.. this thread may get 5 responses, then next week someone will make the same thread and it'll get 500. )

I personally believe that when the "need" for welfare finally exceeds taxpayer input, - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

It already has the proof in the pudding is:

$17 trillion in 'official debt'.

Over $120 trillion in 'money' owed to the big 3

www.usdebtclock.org...

The fact we are printing trillions by the day.

The federal reserve has been pumping billions by the day.

Robbing from the rich is proof that the 'majority' wants have exceeded this nations wallet.

Collapse is INEVITABLE.

Because they keep adding more and more epic stupidty like:

Trillion dollar student loan debt.

Which I can't figure out, hell go tens of thousands of dollars in debt all to not have a job when people graduate.

Immigration ?

Hell those are not rich people coming here.

They are poor, they want a better life, and they are useful idiots because of politicians want their votes.

This nation is SCREWED.

a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

there's an old eastern saying..

"if you want to defeat your enemy, educate his children"

Frankly I think it's ironic those complaining about immigration are those who also complain about how "entitled" poor people are for not being able to live off minimum wage alone.

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If you think regulating the financial industry is "big government", or focusing on the growing income-inequality gap is "socialism", then lets live with capitalism, the consequence of is this; immigrants/migrants work cheaper, so if you want to keep you're job, bend to market forces and work for less. If you're getting paid less it means you're labor is worth less and less. (obviously its worth something, so not entirely worthless). This is the Market in action, this is capitalism. Don't blame the immigrants, they're taking advantage of an opening in the labor market, workers in the US are overpaid, (executives, executives work hard; and deserve more money, without having to pay communist taxes)

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What I find amusing is that people here have less of a grasp of the American economy that those poor kids do. You throw around numbers like you have any idea what they mean. And the idea that in a decade or so these kids will become an army for Obama who will be long retired and making millions writing books is without a doubt one of most far feched things I have ever seen on ATS. And that is saying something.

originally posted by: DeReK DaRkLy
I can image, given the choice, a young, newly indoctrinated immigrant would rather carry a rifle than use a shovel to earn a living.

In your hypothetical scenario the immigrant youth are the prison guards. What are the American youth doing?

a reply to: NonsensicalUserName

Frankly I think it's ironic those complaining about immigration are those who also complain about how "entitled" poor people are for not being able to live off minimum wage alone. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Frankly I think it's asinine to demagogue those who are against ILLEGAL immigration.

What we are not saying ?

Is people can't come here.

WHAT WE ARE SAYING ?

Knock on the front door, ask for permission, and get in line. Like those who actually respect this nation, and the RULE OF LAW.

But skip that, and just complain about those who are trying their damndest to uphold the rule of law.

My opinion is that barry or whoever is in charge will wait until the collapse of the dollar and once all hell breaks loose and people are killing each other over a can of beans. Then they will offer amnesty and food and shelter to all who join their cause and fight for freedom!!! But in reality these people will just be fighting for enslavement and giving total power to the ruling class.

All the illegals and welfare rats will fight against the patriots and people for the constitution.

a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

If that were true in any way Obama wouldn't be deporting more illegals than any other president in history.

a reply to: neo96

hmm.. that might be what you think you're saying, but I feel that the language you use seems to fit with one of the oldest traditions in the United States; whining about immigrants are "corrupting our culture", "causing crime", "taking our jerbs", "being tools for politicians".

look back to the previous decades, and centuries, similar accusations and concerns were raised about each wave of immigrants.

However, immigration policies became more and more draconian starting in the 20th century, eventually, like today, the process is extremely bureaucratic and difficult for the poor to adequately do. In addition, there are many jobs available here, jobs that you and I would not do. Immigration reform, something that would give a path to legal citizenship for many in the US, has been opposed time and again by those who bring up the same concerns I stated in the first paragraph.

a reply to: NonsensicalUserName

Draconian eh?

Immigrations laws exist for a reason and American history has shown that there has been a lot of them.

en.wikipedia.org...

When this nation does not have the resources for the people that were born here

How the hell do we have the resources to take care of anyone else?

What makes Mexico, and South, and Central Americans think they are so effing special.

Lots of people from all over the world would like a shot at the 'American dream', but then again so would Americans who were born here.

Point of fact there isn't enough to go around now.

a reply to: neo96

we have the resources. we just need to actually use them.

originally posted by: NonsensicalUserName
a reply to: neo96

we have the resources. we just need to actually use them.

No we don't.

The U.S. now has 90.6 million "non-institutionalized" men and women over the age of 16 not working—an all-time high. That's 10 million above the 80.5 million when President Obama took office. With total employment at 144.3 million, for every three Americans over the age of 16 earning a paycheck there are two who aren't even looking for a job. That's an ugly portent for American prosperity.

online.wsj.com...

a reply to: neo96

unemployment numbers do not mean we do not have the resources.

the issue is mostly due to the sheer income inequality that this country is seeing.

We must reform the financial industry, and redistribute its ill gotten wealth back to the people. We must get money out of politics in order to do this. Money in politics is really the problem with all of this in any case.

originally posted by: NonsensicalUserName
a reply to: neo96

unemployment numbers do not mean we do not have the resources.


we just need to raise taxes and direct present spending to necessary avenues for creating jobs. We also need to stop letting corporate upper-class executives walk all over us. We need to be willing to see the rich be finally thrown under the bus for the majority, rather than the reverse.

And one day, when you become a "Upper-Class" executive, would you be willing to be "thrown under the bus"?

It feels high and mighty when you have the bigger voice doesn't it? It just sucks to be rich doesn't it?

For folks who worked 18 hour shifts, 6 days a week, had given 25 years of their precious lives to get to the top, then what? We line ourselves up so we can get thrown under the bus by people like you?

I guess that's the conclusion isn't it? Everyone should just stay poor, none should strife for excellence. Everyone should just sit on their asses and ask the government for help, because jeez louise, why the hell would anyone want to become wealthy, because when you do work hard and get your fair share, you'll get thrown under the bus because 1000 other poor people who weren't as fortunate as you, wants your share of the pie.

I think it's best if we all just stick to the original topic of discussion, which is about Immigration and the "ILLEGAL" activities involved.

a reply to: truthseeker84

Warren Buffett:

If anything, taxes for the lower and middle class and maybe even the upper middle class should even probably be cut further. But I think that people at the high end - people like myself - should be paying a lot more in taxes. We have it better than we've ever had it.

You're right about one thing, that is that we could go off topic on this conversation, not much else though.

My point was that there are plenty of resources available for everyone;

a reply to: truthseeker84

I can see it both ways. Yes, most executives have worked hard to get where they're at. However, to say they're getting their fair share is a bit of a stretch. At least when it comes to execs in the US. Let's take a look at what two CEOs from two major financial institutions, one from the US the other from Europe, made in 2013. Counting salary, bonuses, etc the CEO of UBS made about 8 million while the CEO of Goldman Sachs made about 56 million. Do you really think Goldman Sachs' CEO worked seven times harder than UBS'?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: truthseeker84

I can see it both ways. Yes, most executives have worked hard to get where they're at. However, to say they're getting their fair share is a bit of a stretch. At least when it comes to execs in the US. Let's take a look at what two CEOs from two major financial institutions, one from the US the other from Europe, made in 2013. Counting salary, bonuses, etc the CEO of UBS made about 8 million while the CEO of Goldman Sachs made about 56 million. Do you really think Goldman Sachs' CEO worked seven times harder than UBS'?

But the problem is, who the hell are you to judge? Why do you think you have the rights to set an upper limit to someone's dreams?

If I say I want to make $250 million dollars before I die, am I a bad person? What if I donate a lot to charity? Are you going to put the karma effect on me because 200,000 Ethiopian children are starving to death because of a bad harvest?

Dude, same thing goes for me. I have no right to look down upon you if you're personal life goal is just to be a couch potato. And I also have no right to put an upper limit on someone else's legitimate achievements.

The point is, if I start a company, that eventually start raking in money for me at $35 million a year, why is this not ok for you?

This is almost saying that you just hate those people who hit the 600 million Jackpot Power Ball lottery. Do you want to throw them under the bus too?

I think it would be better, if we were to argue whether or not these earnings are legitimate. If they are, then those people deserved it, including the ones lucky enough to hit the lottery.

But if we are talking about the rich stealing from the poor, then I can agree with your statements.

So it comes down to this:

Do I really think Goldman Sachs' CEO worked seven times harder than UBS? I'm not sure, so I cannot say for certain. But one thing that I am sure of, is that you should not use that type of comparative system to judge them.

That's like saying why should Lew Frankfort (Coach) should make less money than Michael Burke (LV). It's different brand awareness, different prestige, different company structure and different operation method.

If Michael Burke worked 4 hours to achieve what Lew Frankfort achieved in 3 weeks, who's fault is that?

Should Michael Burke share his part of the earnings with Lew Frankfort? Because God forbid poor Franky is not going to be in the same league as Mike?

You see where I'm going with this?