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So you mean that instead they should have separate countries like Chcechenya, Tatarstan or Dagestan?
Muslims? Do not mix ethnicity with religion.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: cosmonova
Austria, Denmark, Finland, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Norway, Ireland, Croatia, Georgia, Moldova, Lithuania, Albania....,
And how many of those countries have had problems with Russia in the past, some more recent than others?
OK just one question - whether non-Russian population in Russia have also the same right to self determination? I mean especially those in Caucasus?
originally posted by: cosmonova
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: cosmonova
Austria, Denmark, Finland, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Norway, Ireland, Croatia, Georgia, Moldova, Lithuania, Albania....,
And how many of those countries have had problems with Russia in the past, some more recent than others?
do not follow what you are saying. My point was that ethnic Russians in Novorussiya outnumber total population of those countries and that gives them a legitimate right to determine their future the way they did with recent referendum. Willy Wonka and the gang cannot stop that, no mater how hard they try. They can shell all hospitals, schools, kindergartens, houses they want. Not working.
originally posted by: Shadow1024
OK just one question - whether non-Russian population in Russia have also the same right to self determination? I mean especially those in Caucasus?
originally posted by: cosmonova
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: cosmonova
Austria, Denmark, Finland, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Norway, Ireland, Croatia, Georgia, Moldova, Lithuania, Albania....,
And how many of those countries have had problems with Russia in the past, some more recent than others?
do not follow what you are saying. My point was that ethnic Russians in Novorussiya outnumber total population of those countries and that gives them a legitimate right to determine their future the way they did with recent referendum. Willy Wonka and the gang cannot stop that, no mater how hard they try. They can shell all hospitals, schools, kindergartens, houses they want. Not working.
And on top of that, Russia is the regional empire that is reacquiring land that its ethnic citizens live on, in former USSR territory,
originally posted by: Vovin
originally posted by: Shadow1024
OK just one question - whether non-Russian population in Russia have also the same right to self determination? I mean especially those in Caucasus?
originally posted by: cosmonova
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: cosmonova
Austria, Denmark, Finland, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Norway, Ireland, Croatia, Georgia, Moldova, Lithuania, Albania....,
And how many of those countries have had problems with Russia in the past, some more recent than others?
do not follow what you are saying. My point was that ethnic Russians in Novorussiya outnumber total population of those countries and that gives them a legitimate right to determine their future the way they did with recent referendum. Willy Wonka and the gang cannot stop that, no mater how hard they try. They can shell all hospitals, schools, kindergartens, houses they want. Not working.
But how is that relevant? The Caucasus and Crimea are different geographical locations, different cultures, different actors, different conflicts at different times. It has little bearing on current events.
Minor correction: Russia is SENDING MERCENARIES TO CREATE A "situations of political instability and insecurity on the ground" and using this mess to further its conquest.
And on top of that, Russia is the regional empire that is reacquiring land that its ethnic citizens live on, in former USSR territory, in situations of political instability and insecurity on the ground.
Where would Chechnya and Dagestan go to? Georgia? Yeah right.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Vovin
And on top of that, Russia is the regional empire that is reacquiring land that its ethnic citizens live on, in former USSR territory,
Notice the key words here...former USSR territories?
Now as far as I can tell Russia has no authority over these territories and just because some speak Russian that isn't an excuse to enter another countries boundaries an do what they are doing in Ukraine.
So should the US be expecting a visit from Vlad sometime in the future as there are ethnic Russians that live here, and I am sure they have a beef about something happening to them caused by the gov't?
I mean if we go by what Russia gave as an excuse to enter Ukraine. then every country that has ethnic Russians living within it's border should be seeing Vlad soon.
originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Shadow1024
Issue is not Russia being a regional empire. This is BS.
Actually Russia offered natural gas more expensive to Ukraine, than to Germany (and you know with Germany the cost should be higher because of longer pipelines and additional transit fees). It indeed lowered it recently, because of risk that pro-Russian Yanukovych was loosing support. Also there was a discount offered for allowing to keep Russian bases on Ukraine soil (Crimea). Does not look extraordinary altruistic.
originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Shadow1024
The issue in Ukraine is not ethnicity. It is NATO.
Russia has genuine security concerns that people must acknowledge.
There is massive propaganda against the Russians and Russia in West supported media including this website.
Russia provided cheap gas to Ukraine so long and that too on soft credit terms. Was that because of Russians hated Ukrainians?
The campaign of terror against Russian speaking people run by Ukrainians Nazis cannot be acceptable to any self-respecting person.
Really doubt this Western sphere. The EU is actually refusing all the time to accept Turkey.
originally posted by: GargIndia
It is always Western plan to give a emotional character to every conflict. Massive propaganda is used to mask the realities on the ground.
Same here.
It is unfortunate that some people talking Chechenya here? The Muslims are out of control and will soon consume the Western sphere of influence. Only fools can talk about self determination in Chechenya.
originally posted by: Shadow1024
Not Russia, but Putin has a security concern here. If Ukrainians can overthrow corrupted oligarchs, what about Russians? There is no risk for Russia as such, actually there is a chance also for you.
2032 GMT: Radio Svoboda and UNIAN reported today that Russian journalists from the Russian Defense Ministry television channel Zvezda sent a letter of apology to Ukraine’s Channel 5, saying they had lied on Russian TV when they claimed in a 12 June program that the Ukrainian army had bombed the village of Semyonovka near Slavyansk with “white phosphorus” bombs. Their program first led to all of Russia state media making the claim that the same type of bomb used by the US in Iraq was used, and angry demands by the Russian Foreign Ministry for an investigation.
Massive propaganda is used to mask the realities on the ground.