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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
I feel bad for the child. But this is a true case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. The fault needs to go to the individuals living there because their illegal activity was the root cause to this. Without their illegal activity none of this would happened.
Lol do you understand what "root cause" means? I'm pretty sure the root cause here is a delusional stance on drugs, if the police didn't take such extreme measures in the first place then none of this would have happened. Not only did failed laws create this situation, bad training and negligence on part of the SWAT team also caused this. They didn't have to bust into a home with children using such extreme force, in fact they didn't have to bust in at all, if they had of just minded their own business and respected the privacy of the people in the home, instead of trying to save them from themselves by arresting them and ruining their lives much more quickly than any drug would have, none of this would have happened.
originally posted by: Rodinus
originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
I feel bad for the child. But this is a true case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. The fault needs to go to the individuals living there because their illegal activity was the root cause to this. Without their illegal activity none of this would happened.
How about the fact that the SWAT team were not correctly trained...
Come on... god knows how many heavily armed men against 1 house/couple/child???
It sickens me to see how easy it is to blame the parents (even though they created the reason for the raid)... they did not throw the grenade...
The SWAT team or LE community should have done their REC job correctly first.
Kindest respects
Rodinus
originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: HawkeyeNation
I don't think enforcement of the law is the issue with a growing % of upset public. It sure is for some, but not the majority, I think. Most of us realize what you say is absolutely true. Law breaking does need addressed, as stark a realization as that is to say in some places, laws need enforced.
The question is, why is that needed with heavily armed, paramilitary style raids? In extreme situations where time is of the essence for life and death? Yup..as it once was, in fact, for how these resources were used.
Now? Rather than have to wait ... Oh who wants to wait?? ... for an opportunity like taking the suspect off and arresting as they jump into the family wagon to go to the market ..or coming out of a market with hands full of groceries and almost ZERO chance of violent confrontation? It's Quick, Run, NOW! and hit the house like Normandy Beach.
Well...I think it's gone clear overboard and cops can work a little harder for a living...like those long endless hours of waiting and watching diddly squat for a GOOD time to see or do something, not just the most convenient time.
originally posted by: Euphem
a reply to: HawkeyeNation
There have been and always will be people who break the law. This has nothing to do with abiding by the laws.
If you were speeding one day, and the cop pulling you over wasn't paying attention and rear ended you, would that be your fault since you didn't abide by the law? What if your child was sitting in the back seat, and got seriously injured or killed....would that be your fault because you were breaking the law?
I understand these are very different scenarios, but in some ways speeding is more dangerous than most drugs will ever be...so it really isn't that far fetched.
Yes I agree with what you are saying 100% but my point is none of this would have happened if it were not for the illegal activity.