Texas Restaurant Bans Gay Couple Because ‘We Do Not Like Fags’

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: markosity1973
Actually FYI I advertise my company as a Christian company that provides honest morally sound service and I assure you business is quite well.

I dunno.

Does the Christian part actually make some people feel better that heathens are in or around them providing service? Guess it's as good a marketing ploy as any.

Does it somehow imply that Christianity goes hand in hand with honesty and morality and vice versa? Or that those who do not use God or Christianity to advertise their services are less likely to be honest and moral? Because I assure you, it does not.

I've used a couple of "Christian" companies here. Not intentionally but more by accident. I really didn't give it much thought the first time. The second time I decided that the first time was just a coincidental one off and went for it again.

One flat out judged me for not having any crosses in my house. Seriously. That led to a discussion on my erm non-Chrisitanity, and the dude was not nice after that. (But still took my money, grudgingly, I'm sure). The other was very sweet but just did a really bad job while going on and on about how thank Jesus for all the Christian folk like me allowing him to make a living, then broke a window and promised to return to fix it and never did. That time I held my tongue , didn't bite either way, but...well it is just not worth it.

And even after all this, after a lifetime of experiencing so-called Christians behave with bigotry and judgement toward both me and my son because we were NOT, from the time we can both remember around age five, I still don't condemn all Christians. I just say that they're nothing because of or despite their beliefs. They're just people like anyone else, defined by...well other things.

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Texas is awesome. The rest of the nation should follow suit. Tennessee still is very conservative thankfully. I am a business owner and will refuse service to anybody I choose.

Texas is awesome? hardly. I will never go to Texas again.

A good friend of mine, a woman who happens to be black, and I had the unfortunate experience of working there for a year together once, teaching in the corporate world. The way she was treated by just about everyone we encountered was simply shameful and at times frightening. People actually would not seat us at restaurants and tried to run us over with their trucks in parking lots. I can't even begin to tell you how much hate we encountered, blunt, in-your-face hate. And I'm sure many of them were...ahem...Christians too. And this was in the Dallas-Ft Worth area. I shudder to think how it is in some of the less urban areas. At least they were honest. That's about the best thing I can say about the entire experience.

a reply to: Gryphon66
Look on Yahoo news every day. The obviously biased site shows those storys every day.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
It's not religious convictions.

There is not one statement in the Bible about not doing business with homosexuals, nor one statement about shunning them, nor one statement about not baking them a cake for their wedding, nor does the Bible forbid same-sex marriage.

The Bible does, on the other hand, command very clearly to love thy neighbor, to act with fairness and honesty, and to refrain from judging others.

All of this hateful rhetoric is a result of modern politicized agendas masquerading as faith and trying to hide under the skirts of religion.

I can believe that the baker is sincere. He seems like a nice enough guy. The problem is, he has fallen for the brainwashing dished out by the people who hate gays and use religion to justify it. Unfortunately, there are plenty of those.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I will agree with you on this one.

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: Gryphon66
Look on Yahoo news every day. The obviously biased site shows those storys every day.

So, no evidence of your dishonest claim and no apology for breaking the Ninth Commandment?

Not that you owe us an apology per se, we know that what you said is untrue, but I think you owe an apology to God for breaking his Law so blatantly, obviously and openly.

That is, of course, unless your religious beliefs don't follow what the Bible says...

a reply to: Gryphon66
I have not lied or been dishonest so no apologies are needed. You do need to apologize to God and ask for forgiveness.
Show me proof that they don't do these things.
See how that works ?
You try and paint gays as the opposite of what they are and it will not work on me.

Personally I think a business should have the right to serve, or not serve, whoever they want. If they want to lose all the business that comes with being anti-gay, anti-black etc., that should be their choice. It's not freedom when government controls your business. Just like it's not freedom when government mandates you buy a product you don't want and can't afford (Obamacare).

And, just for shots and giggles, remember that the Bible either commands or holds up as acceptable marriage behavior ...

1. Open marriage: Sarah allows Abraham to have sex with and impregnate her servant. Genesis 25.

2. Polygamy: Jacob marries two sisters, Leah and Rachel. Genesis 29.

3. Women forced to Marry their Rapist: Deuteronomy 22: 28-29.

... and so on.

What does the Bible have specifically to say about same-sex love?

1. David claims that his love for Prince Jonathan "surpasses the love of women." 1 Samuel 1:26.

2. Jesus heals the male love of a Roman centurion and commends his faith: Matthew 8: 5-13

Hmmm... I think someone needs to go back and read their Good Book.

originally posted by: Christian Voice

Show me proof that they don't do these things.
See how that works ?
You try and paint gays as the opposite of what they are and it will not work on me.

Ha Ha! That's hilarious. Prove that there aren't any stories in the news about gays refusing to serve Christians? Thanks for making me laugh out loud.

originally posted by: OMsk3ptic
Personally I think a business should have the right to serve, or not serve, whoever they want. If they want to lose all the business that comes with being anti-gay, anti-black etc., that should be their choice. It's not freedom when government controls your business. Just like it's not freedom when government mandates you buy a product you don't want and can't afford (Obamacare).

There was a time when businesses did just fine not serving blacks - for many years they did just fine. It wasn't until laws started being passed outlawing that behavior that it finally stopped.

a reply to: Gryphon66
Wow you are reaching, I think you need to get off of the hitchikers guide to defending homosexuality and actually read the stories you referenced and look at the contexts and the entire stories before you attempt to pervert the Bible further.

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: Gryphon66
I have not lied or been dishonest so no apologies are needed. You do need to apologize to God and ask for forgiveness.
Show me proof that they don't do these things.
See how that works ?
You try and paint gays as the opposite of what they are and it will not work on me.

You made a claim that you can't provide evidence for and that you know is untrue and now you're trying to wiggle out of it, cast blame on others, and avoid responsibility for your own actions.

Sure, I'll be glad to provide proof that what you stated is dishonest: here's a link to over 20 MILLION references on Google that show that any actions taken by gay Americans against Christians are because they broke the laws of their States NOT because they didn't merely "agree with their choices."

Take your time and work your way through it. I'm sure your conscience will convict you of your error.

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: Gryphon66
Wow you are reaching, I think you need to get off of the hitchikers guide to defending homosexuality and actually read the stories you referenced and look at the contexts and the entire stories before you attempt to pervert the Bible further.

Right the "out of context" defense. The Bible is only literal when you can twist it to say what you want it to say.

The verses say exactly what I stated that they say. As you're so fond of saying LOOK IT UP.

The evidence is clear for anyone. It's not me thats perverting the Bible, it's "Christians" who are more concerned with their own political agendas than they are about the truth of the Word of God.

a reply to: Gryphon66

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a reply to: Christian Voice

WOW! Your sources aren't biased at all! /sarc

Duh! Good point. Are gays really that persecuted? Show me a gay who had his skull cracked. Name one! 21-year-old Matthew Shepard was robbed, pistol-whipped, tortured, tied to a fence in a remote area, and left to die, which he did. He had brain damage and a fractured skull, but it wasn't cracked. Besides, Shepard was in Wyoming, and nowhere near Selma, so it's so not comparable. And Shepard, like the other homosexuals he represents, aren't attacked for their race, they are attacked for their behavior. So, if they don't want to get attacked, they can just choose to be straight.

But it gets worse. Not only are the attacks against gay people not that big a deal, but it turns out the gays are the ones attacking Christians, the real victims.

OMG! Just LOOK how Christians are being persecuted!

In California, when some peaceful protesters, including a 79-year-old lady by the name of Phyllis, was out holding a cross, it was violently taken from her and stomped." When people stomp on a Christian's cross, they are basically nailing them to a cross, like Jesus.

WOW! Just wow!

a reply to: Gryphon66

Only a pervert will pervert. Take it out of context all you want, it will not change the meaning.

a reply to: windword
Every source is biased as either pro gay or anti gay. Most MSM are pro gay and only report news that furthers their agenda. You usually need to go to news sites on the other end of the equation to get the rest of the news.

a reply to: Christian Voice

As a "Christian Voice" I would think that your time would be better spent than looking for online links to prove that Christians are being persecuted by by gays, and that gay persecution is "no big deal", even when it ends in death, it's not relevant.

Disgusting, and laughable, apologetic Christian behavior!

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: OMsk3ptic
Personally I think a business should have the right to serve, or not serve, whoever they want. If they want to lose all the business that comes with being anti-gay, anti-black etc., that should be their choice. It's not freedom when government controls your business. Just like it's not freedom when government mandates you buy a product you don't want and can't afford (Obamacare).

There was a time when businesses did just fine not serving blacks - for many years they did just fine. It wasn't until laws started being passed outlawing that behavior that it finally stopped.

Why did the government change the law? Because public opinion was shifting. The free market would have taken care of the problem, without government infringing on people's freedom. And even if a business does do fine by not serving gays - so what? That is part of freedom. If people don't like business practices, just choose another business, we don't need bureaucrats running our lives.