Texas Restaurant Bans Gay Couple Because ‘We Do Not Like Fags’

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originally posted by: HandyDandy
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I'm sick of ignorant people not even reading what happened. They WERE NOT kicked out. They were told not to come back after they paid their bill.

If it was such a travesty they should have been kicked out. But, you wouldn't know that would you?

And yes Charles1952.....I have every right to be judgmental as I don't use the bible as my excuse.

So, their bad behavior warranted them a ban. They should learn how to behave in public. Funny, isn't it,t hat they don't mention when the behavior occurred, that warranted the ban? So they ate, then misbehaved, and were told to pay and not come back. Did you expect them to eat for free because they couldn't act like civilized adults with manners?

Using your hatred of Christians as an excuse for bad behavior makes you the intolerant one, not the Christians. Check page five, I think, for the actual facts on Christians and judgment. Link in one of my posts. The "judge not" business isn't what you want it to be.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I'm actually unclear what the exact behavior was but I thought it was just touching legs?

The accusations of "bad behavior" (yet to be proven in any way) are merely a smokescreen for the owners' bad behavior when the story went public, subsequently picked up on by supporters of the kind of folks who feel very comfortable using the word "fag" in public and are using that supposed public display of affection as an excuse for the owners' overt discrimination.

It's legal in Texas to discriminate, but that doesn't make it right. Arguing for discrimination is support for it.

Hiding behind the "public display of affection" defense is simply BS, because if you notice, it only happens to same-sex couples. When's the last time you heard about straight teenagers being tossed out for holding hands or kissing each other? Or any other straight couple for that matter?

To be "gay" does not create, or rather, should not create a second-class of citizen. Gay people have been forced by society to emphasize their "gay" rights, not because those are "special" in some way, but are merely what everyone else expects as being normal rights of American citizens.

I'm supposed to just roll over and accept that "you don't approve" of my lifestyle or the way I am, allow you to speak to me or about me as if I am some kind of non-entity, but when that kind of garbage is thrown back in your face, when you're shown to be the bigot that you are, oh, well, that's just not fair ... why do "the gays" always have to be in someones face? Why are they always shoving their "gayness" down my throat?

Live and let live starts with each one of us.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

So, their bad behavior warranted them a ban. They should learn how to behave in public. Funny, isn't it,t hat they don't mention when the behavior occurred, that warranted the ban? So they ate, then misbehaved, and were told to pay and not come back. Did you expect them to eat for free because they couldn't act like civilized adults with manners?

NO!!! You were just told to read what happened yet still you refuse to do so and so you post incorrect information again!!

So let's get something straight, shall we???
You won't or don't put the effort to inform yourself of the details about this issue. Not even after 14 pages and two days of this thread and the info being available. Yet for some reason you come in here throwing your misinformed opinions around as if you're some authority. You don't even have the story correct yet!! Bringing nothing into the conversation would be bad enough but you are even worse by bringing in incorrect information which just adds and/or continues to confuse and muddy the whole issue. Why should anyone listen to you when you can't even take the time to inform yourself of the events like everyone else has done???

Using your hatred of Christians as an excuse for bad behavior makes you the intolerant one, not the Christians. Check page five, I think, for the actual facts on Christians and judgment. Link in one of my posts. The "judge not" business isn't what you want it to be.

If anyone is displaying a "Hatred of Christians" it is probably because self proclaimed christians like yourself continue to debate, judge and condemn others while doing so from a position of complete arrogance and ignorance. Just because you like to label yourself christian doesn't make you one and even if it did, who cares???? That neither makes you Superior to anyone else nor Correct in everything you say. There was almost nothing in about this issue that had to do with Christianity anyway. It was mentioned once, quoted from Big Carl and that's it. Why do you insist on making it the center of this???

I'm not trying to be mean or anything. This isn't personal, I don't even know you so how could it be?!?!? It's just frustrating sometimes repeating details that I thought were clear by this point.

homosexual public displays of affection, make many people who are not bigots uncomfortable.
Why is this ?
homosexuals should try to understand that many people have these feelings on a visceral unconscious level. Why is this ?

I do not support the jump to judgement on peoples feelings of what they consider un-acceptable or acceptable behavior.
Sexuality is a personal issue, and it clearly can not be chastised out of people.

Being some what deviant my self (yet not in respect with this issue),
so I try to accept all manner of deviance.
it does not however change how I react to deviances that make me uncomfortable.

no doubt, someone will jump to conclusions regarding my character, which they are free to do.

I feel sorry for the homosexuals who must temper their behavior,
they should also understand that their proclivities are outside the norm.

be cool.
live and let live.
understand.
forgive.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Xtrozero


I understand what you are saying, i am not saying you are a "Bigot" or Intolerant or forcing you to watch Gay porn. but how many stories do you hear of this happening to Heterosexual Couples?

I'm not really defending either side for I wasn't there to personally determine the level of PDA, but PDA does make people uncomfortable, and gay PDA is of a very small group of people that tends to be view more harshly do to the very nature of it going against a heterosexual innate sex drive. Disapproval of heterosexual PDA happens all the time without the stigma attached of infringing on ones rights as it seems to happen with gay PDA. The old "get a room" is a common statement used for a very long time, and I have seen people kicked out of public places for heterosexual PDA, but it doesn't ever make ATS or the news etc.

PDA may make one uncomfortable. Seeing someone spit on the sidewalk might as well. Seeing a parent scream at their children, hearing someone with a horrible cough, etc. etc.

Perhaps, rather than counselling anyone to "accept that some people don't like for you to touch your boyfriend/girlfriend/mate in public so stop it or be subject to name calling, expulsion from restaurants, etc." we should counsel the squeamish to do what I do when I'm in public and see something I don't like ... I turn my attention elsewhere.

originally posted by: mOjOm


I find it confusing the way the word "accept" is always used for Gay Issues. Accept Gay Lifestyle. Accept Gay Marriage. In what way is accept being used and what does it mean in context.

Accepting Gay Marriage for example means what??? A gay couple isn't giving their marriage to anyone so there is nothing to accept. If they get married, it's just a fact plain and simple like any other. That fact doesn't change based upon any third party acceptance of it. It just is. Even if someone chooses not only to not accept it, but deny it, makes no difference. It still happened and is still a fact.

What is confusing? I didn't say marriage, lifestyle, or even cooking...I said behavior, as in a sexual behavior that goes against the very innate nature of a heterosexual.

So to ask me what does "Accepting Gay Marriage" mean...I haven't a clue, they can do what they want, don't care.

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: mOjOm

Exactly. Gays don't give a damn about acceptance, they're happy to be left the hell alone. I suppose there's the parades, but there's also westboro baptist church and osama bin laden so I think a few parades can't hurt.

I agree to a point, but there are gays and there are GAYS....

One group are people who are very friendly, helpful, insightful etc and the other group is over the top in everything. My next door neighbors are a gay couple who been together for 40 years, both retired teachers, and great guys. I have had a lot of interaction with gays in my life as family members in some way or just friends.

I also live 10 years near San Francisco and I experienced some very over the top public behaviors, in your face on purpose behaviors, so I really think there are different groups within the gay community with different attitudes, beliefs, lifestyles etc. and it is really hard to determine what set off this restaurant owner without just pinning it all on his ignorance or lack of acceptance.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I agree to a point, but there are gays and there are GAYS....

And there are atheists and there are ATHEISTS.
There are Christians and there are CHRISTIANS.
There are feminists and there are FEMINISTS.
There are vegetarians and there are VEGETARIANS.

My only point is that there are fanatics in every group. And they're usually the ones who stand in the way of the group as a whole from being "accepted" as deserving, normal, worthy, EQUAL people in society. I just think that's an interesting and valuable point to consider.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Oh, so, if the guy has a REASON to discriminate against people unfairly, that's okay then.

Really, look around you. There are many groups on the extreme fringes ... gun-lovers and conspiracy theorists are two of them. Some people gathered in groups have vibrant behavior, some are loud, boisterous, fun-loving, etc.

Extreme behaviors are really not limited in any way to "gays" ... so, I'm afraid that, even if Big Earl has been trapped in the middle of a Pride parade, that doesn't justify a business owner that has chosen to serve the public behaving in this way nor condoning this kind of behavior.

Christians happen to make me shudder when I hear/see them praying in public. There are many Christians who exhibit extreme behavior (snake-handling, strychnine-sipping, yelling in unknown languages, etc.). It's okay for me to go up to them while they're saying grace and call them backwoods-inbred-idiots to their face then? I mean, that's the way I feel, and lot's of other folk feel the same way ... and ... well, these Christians are DIFFERENT than most people ...

See how that works? See why it's not right?

a reply to: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Gryphon66
PDA may make one uncomfortable. Seeing someone spit on the sidewalk might as well. Seeing a parent scream at their children, hearing someone with a horrible cough, etc. etc.

Perhaps, rather than counselling anyone to "accept that some people don't like for you to touch your boyfriend/girlfriend/mate in public so stop it or be subject to name calling, expulsion from restaurants, etc." we should counsel the squeamish to do what I do when I'm in public and see something I don't like ... I turn my attention elsewhere.

What if someone dog barks all the time, and you can not ever sleep.
Does your premiss still apply.
There are certainly limits to what goes down in the commons.

There are vegetarians and there are VEGETARIANS.


Yea, and at these grill houses, no one likes a vegetarian.

originally posted by: rom12345
What if someone dog barks all the time, and you can not ever sleep.

Well, now, that is an entirely different situation, isn't it? If someone's dog barks ALL THE TIME and the sound comes into your home and you can not EVER sleep, that's MUCH different than a moment's glance in public at something you find offensive, which you can turn your eyes from.

ISN'T IT???

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: rom12345
What if someone dog barks all the time, and you can not ever sleep.

Well, now, that is an entirely different situation, isn't it? If someone's dog barks ALL THE TIME and the sound comes into your home and you can not EVER sleep, that's MUCH different than a moment's glance in public at something you find offensive, which you can turn your eyes from.

ISN'T IT???

For me true, but for some of the prudish, no so much.
why press their buttons with your dramatic disposition ?

originally posted by: rom12345
why press their buttons with your dramatic disposition ?

Look, if I want to kiss my husband in public, I'm going to do it. If I want to hold his hand, stroke his back or rub my leg on his, I'm going to do it and if you don't like it, you can look away. My intent is not to press anyone's buttons, but to show affection to my husband. If someone doesn't like it, they can look the other way.

I see LOTS of things I don't like in public, but I don't think I'm entitled to control other people's behavior to suit my sensibilities. Why do you?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: rom12345
why press their buttons with your dramatic disposition ?

Look, if I want to kiss my husband in public, I'm going to do it. If I want to hold his hand, stroke his back or rub my leg on his, I'm going to do it and if you don't like it, you can look away. My intent is not to press anyone's buttons, but to show affection to my husband. If someone doesn't like it, they can look the other way.

I see LOTS of things I don't like in public, but I don't think I'm entitled to control other people's behavior to suit my sensibilities. Why do you?

That sound perfectly acceptable to me, kind of natural, which is joyful.
PDAs from homosexuals, feels creepy to me.
perhaps this is my deviance.

originally posted by: rom12345

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: rom12345
why press their buttons with your dramatic disposition ?

Look, if I want to kiss my husband in public, I'm going to do it. If I want to hold his hand, stroke his back or rub my leg on his, I'm going to do it and if you don't like it, you can look away. My intent is not to press anyone's buttons, but to show affection to my husband. If someone doesn't like it, they can look the other way.

I see LOTS of things I don't like in public, but I don't think I'm entitled to control other people's behavior to suit my sensibilities. Why do you?

That sound perfectly acceptable to me, kind of natural, which is joyful.
PDAs from homosexuals, feels creepy to me.
perhaps this is my deviance.

So because something that isn't harming you and isn't your business and really has nothing to do with you...is creeping you out. But you can't look away. Heavens, no. Asking you to look away is infringing on your rights as a person. But telling them they can't be affectionate in front of you isn't infringing on anything at all. In fact, it's a service to your community. Am I close?

originally posted by: rom12345
PDAs from homosexuals, feels creepy to me.
perhaps this is my deviance.

My point is, even if it feels creepy to you, do you recognize their right to display affection toward each other, just as you recognize MY right to display affection toward the one I love? And if it feels creepy to you, can you not just turn away from it?

One thing I hate to see is a fat person in shorts that show way too much. I instinctively turn away from this spectacle, while recognizing their rights to be fat and to choose their own apparel. I don't consider that they are "pushing my buttons" and I don't judge them for being fat or for wearing something I wouldn't be caught dead in. They are living their lives, without a second thought to what I think... And I think that's pretty cool.

I don't care what people think of my public behavior, though some of it is probably creepy to someone. Why can't we just mind our own business?