FBI: More People Killed with Fists & Hammers than Rifles & Shotguns

a reply to: Phoenix

Hammer, knifes, cars, peanuts, whatever, aren't use for MASS SHOOTING. GUNS ARE!

Remember that!

a reply to: MrInquisitive

To spell it out for you fundamentalist gun righters: assault rifles and similar firearms with large magazines/clips/whatever enable the user to rapidly shoot/kill many persons.

Then why aren't rifles the leading firearm in the federal stats?

Why do they push for legislation against rifles when handguns are the firearms that are overwhelmingly responsible for firearms deaths?

Please define the word 'whatever' as you have used it here. Is it related to 30 round magazine clips/ghost guns?

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
So how many people go on mass murder sprees with their fists or a hammer? I'm guessing not to omany.

The majority of serial killers.

To spell it out for you fundamentalist gun righters: assault rifles and similar firearms with large magazines/clips/whatever enable the user to rapidly shoot/kill many persons.

And these mass shootings are the thankful rare exception and not the norm. I am not prepared to cede my 2nd Amendment rights to address someone else's personal ideology.

But hey, keep up the specious arguments like this one for your echo-chamber buddies.

How is it specious when more people are killed by other means than with rifles? Why do you make a distinction on how people were murdered instead of trying to address or determine the root cause for their criminal behavior?

originally posted by: voyger2
Hammer...

Multiple Hammer Homicide

...knifes...

See the recent incident for multiple knife homicides.

...cars...

19 run down with car (six killed)

Remember that!

You try to remember this when you open your mouth before thinking. There are many, many more instances of this kind of homicide then with rifles. Even the scary kind.

You anti-2nd Amendment people make me want to vomit. You are more concerned about how people are murdered than the fact that people are being murdered. If you devoted as much time into finding the cause of the problem then trying to curtail people's Constitutional rights we may actually achieve something.

Guns are nothing more than tools, if one tool is removed from a person's reach, they simply go on to another choice of tools.

It isn't even so much anything to do with the tools, but more about intent.

People in general have no real idea of what the results of their actions are, like when you shoot somebody they don't come back in the next episode of the show, you don't fly a car like on TV and not get a broken back.

I could go on and on, but it is about uninformed intent and need to understand the consequences of their actions before they act.

Like when they started televising Vietnam and the public at large began to reject it, the carnage we cause by all of our actions needs to be known by the masses to influence the same changes.

Like that's ever gonna happen, right.....

Happy Happy Joy Joy, people pay attention to way less pressing things.....

Entertainment....

originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: Phoenix

Hammer, knifes, cars, peanuts, whatever, aren't use for MASS SHOOTING. GUNS ARE!

Remember that!

Alcohol sales to the public are responsible for 75,000 to 88,000 deaths per year.

Go get alcohol banned first, you will save more lives.

Let me know how that goes for you, then we can talk about gun-related deaths.

originally posted by: Phoenix
With several states enacting sweeping gun bans targeted at so called "assault weapons" such as New York's "SAFE" act, Connecticut's post Sandy Hook legislation and Colorado's new gun laws all targeting semi-auto rifles and magazines in their language.

It would seem that the FBI statistics point to the unwarranted hysteria surrounding the subject of high capacity magazines and so-called assault rifles in general.

As it turns out the human fist is culpably more dangerous along with hammers and blunt objects than Rifles or Shotguns according to FBI data.


Source

According to the FBI, there were a total of 625 murders committed with rifles and shotguns in 2012. That breaks down to 322 murders that were rifle related and 303 that were shotgun related. The total number of deaths committed with fists, hammers, and other blunt objects was 1,196. That breaks down to 518 murders related to hammers and blunt objects and 678 related to fists.
Taken together, the rate of murder by fists and hammers was nearly 100 percent higher than the rate of murder by rifles or shotguns.

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I certainly don't have a solution for the fist or hammer and blunt object issue nor do I support any attempts at laws or legislation specifically targeting them as laws already exist on the books to deal with the problem caused by the criminal.

Going after lawful weapons owners plays to a political agenda while serving little or none of the actual problems existing in society.

Too bad the author completely ignores the category "handguns" in order to try and make his point by focusing solely on rifles and assault weapons. There is a general desire among some people to legislate ALL guns and not just "assault rifles." Don't get me wrong, I am a firm supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but this guy is twisting the truth immensely.

www.fbi.gov... e_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

a reply to: voyger2

Most of the biggest mass killings didn't use firearms.

Maybe remove the biased from your mouth, before you speak.

originally posted by: Echo3Foxtrot
But I've never heard of a mass punching or bludgeoning happening. So...there's that weak argument before someone actually tries to seriously bring it forth.

And again, as addressed to another here. Most mass killings were not performed with firearms.

I say we ban anything that can hurt someone, because after all, hurting leads to killings and you can't kill without first hurting them.

This moronic "butterfly" affect approach to removing a Constitutionally backed right is.......moronic.

originally posted by: jaffo


Too bad the author completely ignores the category "handguns" in order to try and make his point by focusing solely on rifles and assault weapons. There is a general desire among some people to legislate ALL guns and not just "assault rifles." Don't get me wrong, I am a firm supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but this guy is twisting the truth immensely.

www.fbi.gov... e_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

Nobody is twisting any truth here, the numbers come from the FBI and the OP is about long guns not pistols and has more to do with all the media hype and scaremongering about so-called assault weapons being more of a danger than they are, hence the statistic about fists and hammers being more deadly.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Vomit on this:


a reply to: macman
if you don't consider legal firearms, yes they weren't.

a reply to: voyger2

What weren't?

I don't understand your post in context as a reply to AugustusMasonicus' regarding other implements than guns being involved in mass casualty events.

Says right at the top of your little graph "shootings" which just reinforces Augustus' point that they are but one segment of mass casualty events.

a reply to: voyger2

Clearly you don't get it.

Please, go and research the Oklahoma bombing, Jonestown, 911, China's gassing of the subway stations and so on.

Firearms are not the problem. Never have been.

originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Vomit on this:

a reply to: macman
if you don't consider legal firearms, yes they weren't.

I am not inclined to give up my Constitutional rights nor any of the millions of other law abiding gun owners because 48 crazy drug addled perpetrators idiotically chose to do what they did.

Be like banning automobiles for the few crazies that drive them into crowds or banning hammers because they cause more death than long guns.

Ever notice how those same crazy perpetrators sanely decide to do mass shootings in predominantly "gun free" zones? Ever notice when one of these crazies is challenged by a citizen lawfully carrying that they more often shoot themselves dead.

On many of these crazies its been demonstrated that they indeed did violate federal law by lying on their form 4473 so your chart is not accurate.

a reply to: macman

So are you comparing BOMBS, PLAINS with TERRORISTS to GUN's ? is it?

a reply to: thisguyrighthere

I think your are missing the point there. GUNS ARE USED FOR MASS SHOOTING. that's the problem, GUNS! Normally after a shot you will die. as like a stab In the right place. But knife aren't use for MASS KILLING/SHOOTING that's the POINT.

originally posted by: voyger2
Vomit on this:

You still hung up on how people get murdered and not that they are getting murdered? It is almost pornographic in its morbidity.

a reply to: voyger2

So you admit to just jumping the logic train and irrationally harping on what is used in 2% of all murders?

Okay. So we've established you don't care about safety or saving lives and you're just focused on guns because "GUNZ!"

As long as that is your established position every further post in a thread about the low percentage of murders rifles are used in is essentially a waste of space.

a reply to: voyger2

I thought we were concerned with the killing of innocents. Not the fear of an inanimate object.

originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: thisguyrighthere

I think your are missing the point there. GUNS ARE USED FOR MASS SHOOTING. that's the problem, GUNS! Normally after a shot you will die. as like a stab In the right place. But knife aren't use for MASS KILLING/SHOOTING that's the POINT.

Here you go, try another point cause this one don't cut it!

25 dead, 115 Injured in Chinese Knife Attack

Lets not forget half the murders in the latest mass killing in California were also done by knife.