Why is Humanity considered primitive?

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

A simple answer would be, because only a fraction of it can be considered as wise. Only a few made humanity "advance", technologically speaking. The rest? They just suck up the marrow and enjoy the comfort of all these discoveries without even having a clue of how they work, how they were created and if they are really worth it. After that you find it strange that the government takes you for livestock? When people act like cattle, what to expect? I dont think aliens would even consider humankind as equal of not only themselves but of anyother species. Why? Because amongst all species, only one is UNABLE to find its place in the grand scheme of things, humans. Does it make sense?

a reply to: _damon

Actually that's false. It was the case for all of history almost that a select few were spared toil and daily hardships so as to dedicate themselves to thought and learning. From them came all progress and advancement in science math and all.else.

For all this time humanity crawled along while most men, motivated by the hunger in their bellies were focused on survival and protecting their own from very real threats. They were lied to and fooled into superstitious behavior and backwardness by those who would control them. By those who would keep them in the field producing food so they did not have to.

It wasn't until all men were finally educated and trained enough to secure more leisure for themselves that the greatest age of human progress was born. When AVERAGE men in great numbers were given less toil we saw fundamental changes in the human condition.

Look to the information age. Our leaders and great few of supposed worth to humanity for their vision and scope of progress look to silence the masses for fear of losing their station. They once again weigh our progress as a species as secondary to their continued leisure. The masses once educated produce new worlds. The few are the ones to cause libraries of Alexandria to burn or great knowledge to be hidden instead of shared.

I say that while most don't know how a cellphone works it is not because most can't learn how.

It is because they have not been shown. If you were to teach them, they would improve it.

The few are the parasite and the obstacle. Without them we would have had several industrial revolutions long ago.

With them we have only fear and contempt to look toward to....God forbid we use every sound mind for progress and advancement. God forbid they lose supremacy and bragging rights. Who would be a specialist among a world of specialists

They key to our future lies in average people because they are not average. Greatness can be the norm.

It is the few who need us and suck on our tit. We average men working together have made a world they only dreamed of AND NEVER PRODUCED. Without us it will all fall to ruin.

You really need to ask why?! Look around you, look at how we're treating eachother and the world we live on. Go to a supermarket and look in someone's eyes; what do you see? A highly evolved creature or a brainwashed, obese consumingmachine with its eyes and brains in its wallet... Come on, we're neanderthals.

Come on OP we are nothing more than inteligent apes.
We pick our bums eat bogeys do all sorts of animalistic behaviour.
Yeah we have done some great stuff but we gotta get away from all the old nonsense before we get on the next plane of thought and understanding.

originally posted by: Spacespider
Here is why

Very upsetting video, man can be so cruel!! If this doesn't explain why then nothing will.

I've often thought about this question myself. I can see the points made and they may or may not stand true. The reason being is that what other species do we really have to compare ourselves to? All we have is speculation based on fantasy of the imagination. We've made no contact with another civilization outside of our own that we can compare to. At least, that we know of. How can we be certain there aren't any space fairing people's that are just like us? A species that had advanced in to space travel like that of the movies or TV. I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that we are primitive compared to any other unknown species in the universe.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Come on OP we are nothing more than inteligent apes.
We pick our bums eat bogeys do all sorts of animalistic behaviour.
Yeah we have done some great stuff but we gotta get away from all the old nonsense before we get on the next plane of thought and understanding.

You do know that there are "esoteric schools" that have been trying to educate y'all, so that you actually might proceed to this "next plane"

This is called "Ascension", and actually the Human species is nicely on it's way to your next plane", though true Ascension will take several hundred thousand years yet...

By the way; virtually ALL of the negative aspects y'all talk about in relation to Humans is only natural survival instinct. Without it you would not be!

A lot of people are self-loathing, and it carries over to their general view of humanity. The fact is, they need to give themselves, and by extension humanity, a freaking break. Stop comparing themselves to some glorious fictional ideal. Life is hard, and we have flaws, and we have to make things up as we go along. We're physical animals in a fairly harsh environment, and we have all kinds of biological drives that we can't (and often really don't want) to control.

If we have fallen short, it is only because we have reached.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
A lot of people are self-loathing, and it carries over to their general view of humanity. The fact is, they need to give themselves, and by extension humanity, a freaking break. Stop comparing themselves to some glorious fictional ideal. Life is hard, and we have flaws, and we have to make things up as we go along. We're physical animals in a fairly harsh environment, and we have all kinds of biological drives that we can't (and often really don't want) to control.

If we have fallen short, it is only because we have reached.

Hear! Hear!

Sorry, a simple star wasn't quite enough.

Seems to me that generally these discussions focus on how humans are not compassionate enough, which seems odd to me since the ability to create starcrossing ships is a technological feat, not a compassionate one. A technologically advanced race is not necessarily more caring or compassionate, they just possess technical know-how and abilities greater than ours. They might even see our current level of compassion as strangely or unconceivably high compared to their own. We kill and hurt each other for profit? Well who's to say that they don't just because they're spacefaring?

a reply to: conundrummer

Probably because many have speculated that a war-prone race would destroy itself before it made it off its planet of origin.

I don't think its a prerequisite myself, but I understand the sentiment.

Nuclear weapons are somewhat scarce and hoarded by the powers that have created them. In the near future that may no longer be the case or some devastating new weapon that is easy to make gets invented. It does seem to really only be a matter of time before a catastrophe of our own making will happen.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
A lot of people are self-loathing, and it carries over to their general view of humanity. The fact is, they need to give themselves, and by extension humanity, a freaking break. Stop comparing themselves to some glorious fictional ideal. Life is hard, and we have flaws, and we have to make things up as we go along. We're physical animals in a fairly harsh environment, and we have all kinds of biological drives that we can't (and often really don't want) to control.



If we have fallen short, it is only because we have reached.

People might be self-loathing and I can understand that it can jade their view on humanity. Ending poverty, hunger, and homelessness isn't a fictional ideal. There is enough money world wide to end all of those social issues ten times over. My question is, why haven't we? There's enough money in the United States to end those social issues 1000 times over. Why haven't we?

Life is hard and we do have flaws. But it's no excuse for the current state that we're in. My theory as to why we haven't, is that we haven't grown up enough as a species. Our species is capable of so much more than we've acheived thus far. That is why I believe we're still considered primitive.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

The truth is that people don't understand even the world primitive until then have seen how alien operate. I don't say 'until they have seen an alien,' because the darn alien is so smart that he knows how to shapeshift. So it comes down to witnessing a UFO experience. The person is changed forever. I have reasoned as to why, I think it is because since the alien is so advanced that they have to sort of 'stop time' in order to interact with us. So many people curious about this just argue all the time, all the freaking time. You know what is funny - that none of the abductees ever argue, in fact they always agree with each other when questioned in separate cases. So skeptics make arguments out of nothing really just to be a stupid buzzing fly in someone's ear.

We don't have a fair grasp of science, its like if you looked into a bowl of ants and seeing anthill technology. Ants building structures and milking aphids, but they're still limited.

And use fossil fuels instead of cavitation and cold fusion.

But the science isn't what makes us primitive.

Its this: war, anger, judgements, apathy and able to walk by those in need, reading about an injustice or 20 year sentence for a 20 year old for something that wasn't related to mass murder of a family, or a huge million dollar fine, and not arriving in large crowds to overturn this and demanding until they listen, not just once that this violation of human rights ends now. Its about just making a snide comment and walking away and abandoning your brother/sister/son in those circumstances. Snap a judgement on someone and have them tortured for their lives and sleep well at night.

Retaliation, getting even, rape, starvation, homelessness. Putting a banking system or economics above the well being of every single person on earth.

If your system worked for all but 1 person didn't have employment or self employment or health and abilities and that one person was on the streets. 1 person out of 7 billion is 1 too many and the whole world is corrupted by a system that would not work for all, and all are different.

Slavery, accepting it.

Allowing anyone to take the happiness from your children or any other child.

Voting for mass murderers. Refusing to research anything or open ones eyes though the Tree Bears Hideous Fruit and Has to Have Really Evil leaders and a 2 year old can point that out.

Inequailty, control of others.

This planet has a very vile smell and its bloodlust basically and massive abuses of others.

We're tiny tots here.

And then there is nature....

just read a blurb on CNET where Neil Degraase Tyson of "Cosmos" just told MSNBC that he thinks its possible alien life has visited us, took a look around and came to the conclusion that there is NO intelligence on our planet! Indeed!

I'm going to say something that is going to be widely disagreed with, but looking at the way things are it seems this is the case.

I think that bridging the space gap or contact barriers doesn't equal greater benevolence. Why do people assume that just because a race has breached the technological barriers to either leave their home planet or achieve contact with another intelligent species that somehow that means they become benevolent? Look at history through EVERY MAJOR TECHNOLOGICAL advancement. Have humans ever achieved greater benevolence? We like to pretend we do, but when you peal away the nice layers of what was written in history, it reveals that humans have just been as despicable as ever. In fact, humans have demonstrated that we make our greatest technological improvements in order to kill other living things. At first it was to hunt, but as we became more and more "civilized" technological improvements came about through war or applications of it.

We, as humans, like to pretend that war and other things that hurt other life is bad or against the flow of things, but if you think about it, the universe works towards chaos. What is war but just another application of chaos? I actually believe that it would be more reasonable to assume that war is just as common among the intelligent races of the universe as it is with us.

Life on planet earth is very territorial, with us humans being one of the worst offenders. I don't see any reason to believe that life is any different elsewhere in the universe. Luckily the universe is so large that there is plenty of space to spread out. Though with the way that humans dehumanize each other, I don't see it being very hard for us (or any other species) to do the same to life forms that don't even hail from our own planet.

Also I should say that if greed, war, corruption and other human ailments are pervasive throughout the universe, then that also means that people losing respect for nature will become exasperated by the race leaving the planet. Humans don't respect nature already and we are BARELY decoupled from it. Living in space where we can be completely isolated from it, won't improve our opinions of it.

Anyone who thinks that benevolence is found in the stars is probably deluding themselves. The stars are probably just as destructive, unforgiving, and uncaring as our own planet is. Probably more so.

ETA: This isn't to say that we shouldn't strive towards benevolence. But benevolence requires honesty, which is a trait that humans exceedingly lack. But then again, I guess that is a consequence of free will, which undoubtedly all life in the universe probably has (especially the intelligent variety).

a reply to: Krazysh0t

If other species in the universe are malevolent, wouldn't it make sense for humanity to finally unite so that there's a defense against a possible technological superior force? I agree that war has unfortunately brought us the greatest technological advancement. Why wouldn't war with aliens further our technological advancement and finally unite humanity against a common enemy?

I don't really think that war and other species being malevolent holds as an argument for why we're lacking in so many ways as a species.

a reply to: EternalSolace

Maybe, but I imagine that the other races of the universe are just as fractured and prone to bickering among themselves. Just like us.

What you say is very true. Today, we are the most peaceful Humanity has ever been which is good, but Humanity lacks truth and the ability to work as ONE species. Instead they're divided into separate civilizations. I truly believe that money is to blame. It pretty much controls everything in today's society. Charities shouldn't exist, instead, this race should just DO it and help those in need. 1/3 of the worlds food is thrown away and burnt. Instead of doing this why not give it to those who desperately need it? Because they have no money, they should die? Do we honestly care more about money than curing disease and saving this planet? Fair enough, we need something to stop us from wasting materials, but the system of money isn't it. I'm not saying everyone's selfish and doesn't give but those who would including me, are forced not to as we have to use our money to help ourselves survive. Money has forced us to live unfair and greedy lives. and a reply to: EternalSolace

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