Pregnant Pakistani woman stoned to death by family

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: pavil
it's part of Arabic culture more than the religion.

... and the culture is based on the religion. The two can't be separated. Saying 'it's the culture so don't blame the religion' doesn't cut it. It's all together in one hot mess. And anyone who isn't horrified by this is also a mess.

It's not the culture, it's the religion.

Even in quiet little New Zealand a young Muslim girl was set alight while at work in a shell service station in the early 2000's because she spurned the attention of a muslim boy.

Was he muslim by faith or just muslim by name? Just because someone has a Muslim name, does not neccesarily mean he is a practicing Muslim by faith. A cultural ''muslim'' like cultural ''christians'' can do violent things outside of a religious context. If you read of an ''Eliot'' killing girls who rejected him, do you automatically connect his violent behavior to the religion in which ''Eliot'' is a common name?

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
and its an objective fact that all those kids were shot because of laws allowing people to own guns.

Dead wrong. People here get shot, not because of gun laws, but because of their own mental health or evil intent. Criminals and killers get guns by going around the law. Laws allowing law abiding people to own guns SAVES LIVES.

Your deflection attempt fails.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
Promiscuity and pregnacy outside of marriage may be no big deal for Americans, but other cultures see these matters very differently.

Because of RELIGION ... extremist religion permeating everything. It's the guiding force for those 'cultures'. To deny that is to deny reality.

originally posted by: xavi1000
Islam is danger and biggest threat to humanity.Future great war probably will be between humans and brainwashed islamic di*heads.

Unlike so called "Christian nations" that have used two nukes and have been invading and bombing other nations for the last six decades. You cannot judge a whole religion by the actions of a few because if we did that then all Christians are child molesters.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: sk0rpi0n

Abortion is not murder.
Why is the death penalty debatable? It is Barbarism.

Abortion is the ending of life, thus murder. ''death penalty is barbarism'' is a subjective opinion. Just saying your opinion is better doesn't cut it.

Wow, youve got to wonder what is running through the fathers and mothers minds. for parents to literally start throwing rocks to bash in skulls of disowned daughters is just crazy, i just couldnt pick up a rock, could you imagine how many women would be left if we did this over here, none, and there wouldnt be any sons left either.

a reply to: sk0rpi0n

If it is murder people would goto jail for it....it isn't murder and legal in many places.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
Abortion is the ending of life, thus murder. ''death penalty is barbarism'' is a subjective opinion.

Bashing in the head of a pregnant woman with a rock because of a culture based on religious extremism. That's barbaric.

bar·bar·ic adjective

1. savagely cruel; exceedingly brutal.
2. primitive; unsophisticated.

synonyms: brutal, barbarous, brutish, bestial, savage, vicious, wicked, cruel, ruthless, merciless, villainous, murderous, heinous, monstrous, vile, inhuman, infernal, dark, fiendish, diabolical

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: pavil
it's part of Arabic culture more than the religion.

... and the culture is based on the religion. The two can't be separated. Saying 'it's the culture so don't blame the religion' doesn't cut it. It's all together in one hot mess. And anyone who isn't horrified by this is also a mess.

It's not the culture, it's the religion.

Even in quiet little New Zealand a young Muslim girl was set alight while at work in a shell service station in the early 2000's because she spurned the attention of a muslim boy.

Was he muslim by faith or just muslim by name? Just because someone has a Muslim name, does not neccesarily mean he is a practicing Muslim by faith. A cultural ''muslim'' like cultural ''christians'' can do violent things outside of a religious context. If you read of an ''Eliot'' killing girls who rejected him, do you automatically connect his violent behavior to the religion in which ''Eliot'' is a common name?

That's a poor deflection.

If it were an isolated case, your argument would hold water. The fact remains however that where Islam exists these kind of inhuman acts occur. These are not isolated stories either.

The problem is very simple; Fundamental Islam and sharia law teaches violence and revenge equates to holiness.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
and its an objective fact that all those kids were shot because of laws allowing people to own guns.

Dead wrong. People here get shot, not because of gun laws, but because of their own mental health or evil intent.

you are special pleading. It still remains that the gun laws allow the mentally ill to get their hands on guns and go around killing people. For a country not living through a civil war, there sure is a lot of shooting going on. And americans are more concerned. Gun culture is a religion by itself. So attack gun laws for causing deaths the way you attack religions for causing deaths.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n

originally posted by: lambs to lions
What kind of person can murder one of their own family members? Seriously, the psychological state of these people really disturbs me. It's not like it is just a few crazy people here and there. The article makes it clear that it happens quite often. Once is too often if you ask me.

As a non-American I feel the same exact way about Americans given all the random shootings in schools, universities, theatres etc. It happens way too often. Remove the plank from your own eye. But I guess I'm going to hear the 'guns dont kill people' song again.n

Apparently bricks and wooden batons do, though. I guess I'm going to hear the 'bricks and batons don't kill people' song again.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
If it is murder people would goto jail for it....it isn't murder and legal in many places.

Technically something can't be called 'murder' if it's legal. So abortion technically can't be called murder. Neither can the death penalty. What it can be called is homicide ... the deliberate killing of one human by another human. When the death certificates are filled out for people who have died via the death penalty, the cause of death is listed as homicide. Unborn children killed via homicide aren't given death certificates unless they are born alive and then die.

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: pavil
it's part of Arabic culture more than the religion.

... and the culture is based on the religion. The two can't be separated. Saying 'it's the culture so don't blame the religion' doesn't cut it. It's all together in one hot mess. And anyone who isn't horrified by this is also a mess.

It's not the culture, it's the religion.

Even in quiet little New Zealand a young Muslim girl was set alight while at work in a shell service station in the early 2000's because she spurned the attention of a muslim boy.

Was he muslim by faith or just muslim by name? Just because someone has a Muslim name, does not neccesarily mean he is a practicing Muslim by faith. A cultural ''muslim'' like cultural ''christians'' can do violent things outside of a religious context. If you read of an ''Eliot'' killing girls who rejected him, do you automatically connect his violent behavior to the religion in which ''Eliot'' is a common name?

That's a poor deflection.

If it were an isolated case, your argument would hold water. The fact remains however that where Islam exists these kind of inhuman acts occur. These are nit isolated stories either.

The problem is very simple; Fundamental Islam and sharia law teaches violence and revenge equates to holiness.

the muslim boy you spoke of did not act by Shariah. If he did, find me the ruling that permits boys to kill girls who reject them and we can figure out if he indeed acted ''islamically''. If not, you are arguing out of biased opinions.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: sk0rpi0n

Abortion is not murder.
Why is the death penalty debatable? It is Barbarism.

Abortion is the ending of life, thus murder. ''death penalty is barbarism'' is a subjective opinion. Just saying your opinion is better doesn't cut it.

Abortion = murder is a debate here in the west that is a hot and very emotive topic. That is best left for a different thread. And if you start one, bring a flakjacket cos you'll need it lol.

As for the rest of that statement ,death is barbaric when all a woman does is marry a man she loves (and is pregnant to) or because she is accused of leaving Islam.

Death penalties for murdering someone is not barbaric because the punishment fits the crime. Love and changing rreligion are not crimes and therefore death definitely does not fit as a punishment.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
It still remains that the gun laws allow the mentally ill to get their hands on guns and go around killing people.

Dead wrong. You are just spewing deflection attempts. The gun laws are in place to prevent mentally ill people from getting their hands on guns.

Possession of a firearm by the mentally ill

Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

So attack gun laws for causing deaths the way you attack religions for causing deaths.

Dead wrong. The gun laws don't cause deaths. Legal gun ownership by law abiding citizens saves lives.

AND AGAIN ... DEFLECTION ATTEMPT FAILURE - Care to address the topic of the thread ... the poor pregnant Pakistani woman who had her head bashed in due to the culture and religion of the area?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: boymonkey74
If it is murder people would goto jail for it....it isn't murder and legal in many places.

Technically something can't be called 'murder' if it's legal. So abortion technically can't be called murder. .

abortion is legalized murder. The fact that it is of legal status doesn't change the fact that it still amounts to ending a life. Literally innocent life.

originally posted by: JHumm
I'm sorry, but how did the husband do an interview after that? If it were my wife getting beat to death I would have had to be subdued by someone for beating her father to death. Did he just stand there and watch it all happen?

It sounds like they had the entire family clan their to 'punish' her. Not sure there was much he could do, although I don't understand their culture...high strangeness.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: pavil
it's part of Arabic culture more than the religion.

... and the culture is based on the religion. The two can't be separated. Saying 'it's the culture so don't blame the religion' doesn't cut it. It's all together in one hot mess. And anyone who isn't horrified by this is also a mess.

It's not the culture, it's the religion.

Even in quiet little New Zealand a young Muslim girl was set alight while at work in a shell service station in the early 2000's because she spurned the attention of a muslim boy.

Was he muslim by faith or just muslim by name? Just because someone has a Muslim name, does not neccesarily mean he is a practicing Muslim by faith. A cultural ''muslim'' like cultural ''christians'' can do violent things outside of a religious context. If you read of an ''Eliot'' killing girls who rejected him, do you automatically connect his violent behavior to the religion in which ''Eliot'' is a common name?

That's a poor deflection.

If it were an isolated case, your argument would hold water. The fact remains however that where Islam exists these kind of inhuman acts occur. These are nit isolated stories either.

The problem is very simple; Fundamental Islam and sharia law teaches violence and revenge equates to holiness.

the muslim boy you spoke of did not act by Shariah. If he did, find me the ruling that permits boys to kill girls who reject them and we can figure out if he indeed acted ''islamically''. If not, you are arguing out of biased opinions.

Yeah well, that story ended up in the boy going to prison and the girl's family forgiving him. He testified he did it because she shamed him and his family in the presence of Allah. Correct islamic practice or not, he did it because he thought he was justified by the teachings of Islam.

His defence was that it was his religious right. The only thing that got him was more time in jail for being cold and remorseless.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
It still remains that the gun laws allow the mentally ill to get their hands on guns and go around killing people.

The gun laws are in place to prevent mentally ill people from getting their hands on guns.

Then did those shooters develop mental issues AFTER picking up guns? Clearly they were mentally ill when they got their guns and american Gun laws enabled those killers. If saving lives id your biggest concern, then attack gun laws. American gun laws have killed more people than religious law.

But the media will keep the California shooting over the weekend on the front burner. They're already harping on the US culture and how we objectify women, not the fact it was the failure of the system in letting a kid with a history of mental problems being able to purchase firearms. But this honor killing, perpetated by her own family because Islam is the religion of peace, as we all know, will just be glossed over by our media, so as not to offend anyone and placate the liberals.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: xavi1000
Islam is danger and biggest threat to humanity.Future great war probably will be between humans and brainwashed islamic di*heads.

Unlike so called "Christian nations" that have used two nukes and have been invading and bombing other nations for the last six decades. You cannot judge a whole religion by the actions of a few because if we did that then all Christians are child molesters.

Yes, but we aren't talking about the evils done by the American government in WW2. This is about individuals who practice a religion that condones and encourages killing women for who they choose to love! This is something specific to Muslims all over the world who believe they are acting in accordance with what is demanded of them by their god.

However, since you want to bring 'Christian' nations into the argument and deflect guilt where it is due...what about the Christians? Is there statistics that are actively collected on Christian families who brutally murder women for marrying whom they choose? How about Christians who murder young girls for the way they dress? How about Christians who gang rape women as a form of punishment?

It's not "the actions of a few" like you stated. It's not like some crazed family in a remote village is the only one doing this. It happens throughout the world in Muslim nations.