Prove Evolution Is False - Even Without the Bible

a reply to: paradox
Science is about asking WHY and HOW.

Religion simply says SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THIS.

originally posted by: paradox

originally posted by: mOjOm

No. Not even close.

Evolutionary theory could be proven to be completely wrong and that would NOT prove Creationism to be true in any way.

Can you give me a hypothetical alternative to evolution? Evolution hinges on the philosophy of naturalism. If naturalism is not true, what is the alternative?

You have been brought into a system of thinking called a paradox. Polarity thinking that its either Creationism or Darwinism. What if its neither one and you are distracted by surreptitious ridiculous arguments that are circular (Mobius strip like) ON PURPOSE. There are other answers but like "the little prince" Machiavelian that argument is a total distraction from the real truth "keep the small fry busy fighting useless theology based or hard scientific word wars between themselves while we that are in charge of this microcosm continue to manipulate their kingdom of ERRORS".

a reply to: wonderworld

Good question. I think evolution is true, but abiogenesis is false. I also think that seeds of life formed at the big bang, as part of it, before rock solid physics took hold. That would mean that life is everywhere. Or, just apply the spark of life as a fundamental property of time-space. Since at a certain level it turns quantum.

Just a couple ideas.

It's SO freaking obvious that we are being lied to...

WHY are people gullible enough to even believe in the state backed religion of Darwinism?

"The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based on faith alone." ~ paleontologist T.L. Moor

Scientific facts prove that Darwinism is obviously a deliberate fraud which is COMPLETELY contradicted by evidence and science.

"Now, it is easy to show that Darwinism, one of the pillars of modern biology, is nothing but a kind of cult, a cult religion. I am not exaggerating. It has no scientific validity whatsoever. Darwin's so-called theory of evolution is based on absurdly irrational propositions, which did not come from scientific observations, but were artificially introduced from the outside, for political-ideological reasons."

Jonathan Tennenbaum: Toward a True Science of Life

"...many elite controlled organizations are heavily involved in the spread of the evolution theory" archive.org...

"The illuminati have a much deeper agenda than most people know, they promote and fund the teaching of evolution, while behind the curtains they worship Lucifer the devil as their own God.. they know the truth in the Bible and they know satan is real, its the sheep who are under the illusion.. please have a look at this and think hard." the-complete-truth.blogspot.com...

originally posted by: wonderworld

At this point in time, a completely unbiased whole genome comparison between apes or chimps and human has not been done and surly should be. Why not? Are they afraid of the answer or that the data may not reflect the outcome in which they predict?

Completely false. Just to put it in perspective, you simply can not identify the regions for comparison if you do not know where to look ahead of time. The only way to do that is to compare both genomes in their entirety, or in the case of the chimpanzee genome, the 94% they were able to obtain. It's simply a logical failure to think that in the past decade the entirety of both sequences have not been compared if papers are bring published on specific regions for comparison. It's true that certain regions are of particular interest and are looked at closer and/or written about and published which is why they are more familiar and perhaps it gives the appearance that things are as you perceive them. Also, simply because a paper has yet to be published doesn't mean that the research isn't being done on other regions for further comparison. The human genome project is doing a lot of work on this. It just doesn't happen over night.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

WHY are people gullible enough to even believe in the state backed religion of Darwinism?

And which "state" would that be that's feeding you the lie? Parochial much?

While you're at it, please explain why believing evidence-based science is "gullible", but swallowing a 2,000-year-old crock of folk tales and lies called "religion" isn't.

Amazes me that people go on about the "Illuminati" lying to control the population, but seemingly cannot spot the real evil brain-washing mind-control programme: RELIGION.

Religious people accusing others of being gullible: irony doesn't get much richer than that!

originally posted by: Murgatroid
It's SO freaking obvious that we are being lied to...

WHY are people gullible enough to even believe in the state backed religion of Darwinism?

"The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based on faith alone." ~ paleontologist T.L. Moor

Scientific facts prove that Darwinism is obviously a deliberate fraud which is COMPLETELY contradicted by evidence and science.

More was a professor of physics at the University of Cincinnati.

That quote is from 1925, paleontology has changed considerably since then (lots of new finds). He also accepted evolution as a working hypothesis, at the time.

Louis T. More (1870-1944), a physicist and dean at the University of Cincinnati who had just written a book, The Dogma of Evolution (1925), protesting the extension of evolution from biology to philosophy, replied that he accepted evolution as a working hypothesis.[2] . . .

According to Slosson, More "admits evolution of a sort and is equally persona non grata to the fundamentalists as he is to the evolutionists.". . .

Quote Mine Project - quote #61 - L.T. More

originally posted by: MrSpad
I think if somebody is going to prove evolution false they should at least know what evolution is. Cleary whoever came up with that hot mess the OP quotes has no idea. Perhaps this article where evolution has been observed in a lab will help the OP better understand what it is and how it works. Bacteria make major evolutionary change in lab

A possible genetic change was observed in the lab.

Was that change due to Evolution (with a mechanism of mutation and natural selection) or could some other process not included in Evolutionary theory, provide a better explanation?

For instance, could a virus have carried some gene sequences from another species (perhaps another bacteria) that metabolizes citrate, into the E Coli? We do know that most genomes carry "junk DNA fragments" left behind, presumably, by viral agents. (Please research the Hologenome for more on this).

Or could the E Coli genome already have an innate mechanism to deal with citrate, but the particular genes have been switched off and were merely awaiting the right combinations of conditions to switch back on? (Read up on Epigenetics for more on this).

To say that this represents an Evolutionary change, when there are several viable alternate explanations, is more a product of faith than science.

a reply to: chr0naut

The Lenski experiment has had its detractors. I suggest that you look into it in more detail. Try and avoid the almighty mess that Andy Schlafly made of it.

originally posted by: VoidHawk
I'm open minded on this entire subject.

This...

The theory developed that perhaps lightning struck a pond of water, causing several molecules to combine in a random way, which by chance resulted in a living cell. The cell then divided and evolved into higher life forms.

This has always intrigued me because even if this did occur, whats the likely hood of that life form being able to survive!
That lightning strike would have needed to not only create life, but also that life would need all the traits necessary to exist within its randomly selected environment!
Even if that did happen I cant help but think it would very quickly die!

It's also a pretty long jump from a few lightning induced amino acids to successfully coded deoxribonucleic acid, a ribonucleic acid messaging and proteome building system, with a polymerase reproduction mechanism, with a transcriptase error correction system, a telemerase energy system and all within a semi-permeable cell wall.

Take any one of those away from a living thing and it dies, so logically we could assume that all would have to arise at the same instant (as far as we know of life). This, of course, is the argument of irreducible complexity.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: chr0naut

The Lenski experiment has had its detractors. I suggest that you look into it in more detail. Try and avoid the almighty mess that Andy Schlafly made of it.

I cannot say if Shapley or Lenski are correct.

The theories to which they hold are a matter of personal interpretation of a complex outcome and they both claim that they are the only logical possibility, in spite of other known scientific observation posing alternate possibilities.

I am not saying that my theories supplant theirs, I'm just saying that if we discard valid theories just because we are religiously adhering to our "pet" one, the we are doing a disservice to science.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: chr0naut

The Lenski experiment has had its detractors. I suggest that you look into it in more detail. Try and avoid the almighty mess that Andy Schlafly made of it.

I cannot say if Shapley or Lenski are correct.

The theories to which they hold are a matter of personal interpretation of a complex outcome and they both claim that they are the only logical possibility, in spite of other known scientific observation posing alternate possibilities.

I am not saying that my theories supplant theirs, I'm just saying that if we discard valid theories just because we are religiously adhering to our "pet" one, the we are doing a disservice to science.

Ah, no, I think you have misunderstood me. I was thinking about this.

originally posted by: Rob48
Creationism is the ultimate cop-out. No need to apply your brain, just say "The magic sky pixie did it!"

End of story, no further thought or intellectual curiosity required.

or just wait a couple billion years, time fixes everything.

what was the ancestor of the platypus, again?

a reply to: tsingtao

Not hard to find...a fascinating animal.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

www.platypus.org.uk...

a reply to: Murgatroid

WHY are people gullible enough to even believe in the state backed religion of Darwinism?

Because evolution is far more believable than some sky God snapping his fingers and creating everything a few thousand years ago. If you refer to the bible the Earth is anywhere between 6000 and 50000 years old. Fossils alone prove this to be false.

originally posted by: paradox

originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: paradox



But Sunday School is perfectly kosher for those feeble young minds, amirite?

the more and more evolution falls flat on its face with absurd claims and lack of evidence, the more and more credence it gives to creationism. Watching scientists trying to "figure things out" is like watching a dog chase its own tail.

Proving evolution wrong doesn't mean that creationism is correct. You argument is flawed.

originally posted by: paradox
a reply to: mOjOm

Macro evolution already ignores natural laws.

Like which ones?

originally posted by: buster2010
Because evolution is far more believable than some sky God snapping his fingers and creating everything a few thousand years ago. If you refer to the bible the Earth is anywhere between 6000 and 50000 years old. Fossils alone prove this to be false.

How do you know that evolution is correct?

Because the divine words of the priests of the TPTB backed religion called "Science" SAYS so.

It is believed TOTALLY by blind faith.

Like I said, evolution is COMPLETELY contradicted by evidence and science.

Evolution is a COMPLETE mathematical impossibility...

One acquaintance once told me he enjoys debunking Darwinism, when I asked him why? He answered with "the math", what he was referring to is that math with biology can't support it. One biological scientist once said the Darwin theory is so mathematically impossible it's odds of happening are like 1 out of the number that represents all the atoms in the universe. Nobody knows what that number actually is. But it's a hyperbole to make a point. Source

Recently a friend gave me another example of how ridiculous the evolution theory really is.

He told me that the Human Genome requires 10^100 mutations.

The Universe is said to be about 15 billion years old. That amounts to (roughly) 10^20 milliseconds.

Meaning there would have had to be 10^80 mutations per millisecond since the beginning of time to create the genome that we have now.

It seems Evolution is only slightly more difficult to refute than Usury.

Isn't it mind boggling how group think and conformity chain our brain?

Darwinism is an Illuminati Scam

What One Famous Scientist Said About Evolution.....

Part of a keynote address given at the American Museum of Natural History by Dr Colin Patterson (Senior Paleontologist, British Museum of Natural History, London) in 1981.

"One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night, and it struck me that I had been working on this evolution stuff for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it.

That's quite a shock to learn that one can be so misled so long. Either there was something wrong with me, or there was some- thing wrong with “Evolutionary theory.”

Naturally, I know there is nothing wrong with me.

The question is: Can you tell me anything you KNOW about Evolution? Any one thing? Any one thing that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History, and the only answer I got was SILENCE.

I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of Evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time, and eventually one person said, “I do know one thing, it ought not to be taught in High school.”

Darwinism is an Illuminati Scam

originally posted by: UnifiedSerenity
This is a nice short video talking about the mathematics of evolution happening:

Now, the exponential numbers show that the probability of life happening by chance is beyond belief. To believe in evolution shows amazing faith because there is nothing offered by scientists to counter these numbers.

If I said, I have a billion dollars here to give you, and all you have to do is spin this wheel that has 50 numbers on it and get them to come up in order from 1 to 50 with no mistakes, but it will cost you 10,000 dollars to take those spins, would you give me that puny $10,000.00 with such a huge payoff?

Do you think you have a decent chance at winning the mega lottery? You have a chance to win 250 million dollars! What are your chances of picking the right 5 numbers out of 55 numbers and a power ball number that is 1 out of 30? You have to get them all right. Do you think you will win? Any yet those chances are much much better than the chance of life coming together and creating YOU!

If you still believe in evolution, then it truly does prove you have great faith because it's not based on logic, mathematical knowledge, or any evidence.

a reply to: Murgatroid

It is based of scientific peer reviewed papers which includes genetics and many other fields of science.
We can see animals now which are displaying evolution.
Oh and patterson died in 98 so he didn't know about Tiktaalik plus he also said he didn't agree with creationists using one quote of his because it was used incorrectly.

listverse.com...

www.talkorigins.org...

"Evolution is baseless and quite incredible." ~ Dr Ambrose Fleming, President, British Assoc. Advancement of Science

The greatest mystery to me is WHY so many believe it while at the same time there is such a huge amount of evidence that shows it to be nothing more than a massive SCAM.

"It is good to keep in mind ... that nobody has ever succeeded in producing even one new species by the accumulation of micro mutations. Darwin's theory of natural selection has never had any proof, yet it has been universally accepted." ~ Prof. R Goldschmidt PhD, DSc Prof. Zoology, University of Calif.

Gotta love how 'evolution theory' is historically demonstrated to be nothing but failed ancient mythology updated & repackaged with scientific lingo hijacked from Christian pioneers of science (Linnaeus, Ray, Mendel, Cuvier,etc), pushed by Freemasonic/Communist control of centralized gov't, universities, press, media & think-tanks backed by the satanic elite with their world Socialist revolution while 'Atheists' still cling to politically corrupt 'science' or point to imaginary 'evidence'. Exposing the Pagan Roots of Evolution

The 'evolution theory' is nothing more than a political weapon:

It's also the missing link that you never really hear discussed in the emotionally charged Creation v Evolution debate today. The truth is there is no debate, it's an open/shut case when observed through the lens of historical fact:

The 'evolution theory' is purely a political weapon used to shut down Man's awakening to his true potential which began with the spread of the revelation of Christ as the promised Savior which all the world was waiting for and the resurrection as recorded in the New Testament and circulated across the world leading to an explosion in literacy, science and wealth/middle-class resulting in a political power-shift away from the wealthy satanic elite minority who desperately tried but could not stamp out Christianity.

This lecture gives a major behind-the-scenes look at how this disaster got rolling, particularly focusing on the historical episode of Freemasonic infiltration/control of the Royal Society, repackaging ancient pagan philosophy as 'science' and foisting it on the world through academia with the help of violent Socialist revolutions across Europe, Russia and China while using more Fabian methods in America and Britain.

Drop-out Darwin was a poster-boy from a wealthy, upper-crust family with major connections and whose family intermarried with the Huxleys -- the same Huxleys that gave us Aldous ('Brave New World' author, Socialist) and Sir Julian (Socialist, Eugenics advocate, founder and first director of UNESCO who codified the standard Neo-Darwinistic dogma and used the UN to enforce world-wide standards in academia set up by self-appointed experts, etc) -- who palmed off his Masonic grand-father's (Erasmus Darwin) hodge-podge theory (based on ancient pagan philosophy) as something new. The theory was anything but new as C. Darwin later admitted and this lecture shows, but that didn't matter so long as unlimited money was thrown at it and countless jobs and institutions were established or reformed to make this old religion the new science, and Human's made in the image of God on equal footing with kings and priests became apish slaves to their Social betters (who brainwashed them into believing so).

The Socialists needed evolution as the backbone to sell their world-view and evolution needed Socialism to force it into the public mind via compulsory learning and media support. Exposing the Pagan Roots of Evolution

"The pathetic thing is that we have scientists who are trying to prove evolution, which no scientist can ever prove." ~ Dr Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize winner and eminent scientist

"The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific knowledge." ~ Dr A Fleishmann, Zoologist, Erlangen University

"The theory of the transmutation of species is a scientific mistake, untrue in its facts, unscientific in its method, and mischievous in its tendency."~ Prof. J Agassiz, of Harvard