Michelle Obama Would Like Students to Monitor Family Members for Racial Insensitivity

a reply to: theantediluvian

Then they should start by asking why her husband and the figure heads in Washington are so intent on dumbing down the public by implementing Common Core.....

They should be asking why there is MORE racial divide in this country since her and her husband have been on their crusade.......

You did want the hard questions right?

I guess old Moochelle never was taught that being a taddle tale is just plain wrong. It is one thing to be staying vigilant and another to be asking Americans to spy on each other and that is exactly what is happening here. All part of the pre planned Marxist communist movement being ushered in by this current administration.

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: snarky412

What is this , the Year of the Rat ? See Something , say Something . Hitler , Stalin , and Mao would be Proud of the First Misguided Lady Indeed.........

Are you implying that Hitler, Stalin and Mao encouraged young adults (18+) to tell grandpa that his n# jokes aren't funny around the Thanksgiving table?

Please point out what part of her speech you're referring to?

Why would "grandpa" tell n# jokes ?

Who are *You* talking about here?

LOL

a reply to: theantediluvian

And that’s really my challenge to all of you today. As you go forth, when you encounter folks who still hold the old prejudices because they’ve only been around folks like themselves, when you meet folks who think they know all the answers because they’ve never heard any other viewpoints, it’s up to you to help them see things differently.

And the good news is that you probably won’t have to bring a lawsuit or go all the way to the Supreme Court to do that. You all can make a difference every day in your own lives simply by teaching others the lessons you’ve learned here in Topeka.

Maybe that starts simply in your own family, when grandpa tells that off-colored joke at Thanksgiving, or you’ve got an aunt talks about “those people.” Well, you can politely inform them that they’re talking about your friends. (Applause.)

Or maybe it’s when you go off to college and you decide to join a sorority or fraternity, and you ask the question, how can we get more diversity in our next pledge class? Or maybe it’s years from now, when you’re on the job and you’re the one who asks, do we really have all the voices and viewpoints we need at this table? Maybe it’s when you have kids of your own one day, and you go to your school board meeting and insist on integrating your children’s schools and giving them the resources they need.

But no matter what you do, the point is to never be afraid to talk about these issues, particularly the issue of race. Because even today, we still struggle to do that. Because this issue is so sensitive, is so complicated, so bound up with a painful history. And we need your generation to help us break through. We need all of you to ask the hard questions and have the honest conversations, because that is the only way we will heal the wounds of the past and move forward to a better future

So basically, if the kids don't like what is being said, for them to confront the person(s) 'politely' and what, tell them what?
You're wrong and I'm right???
Because I don't like your views?
I don't like what you are saying?

That IS indirectly policing a person's opinions
Telling them that what they are saying is inappropriate....inappropriate to whom?
See, then that right there is enough to cause bigger problems

It will turn into an argument of 'Don't tell me what I can say or how I'm supposed to think/feel'

a reply to: snarky412

Normally I'd be like, 'Oh yeah, you go' about a speech on this topic
But when it comes to race the Obama's are the most racist people I've seen in power, and so all I see is hypocrisy when they try to speak of 'unity'

So because you have a negative opinion of the President and First Lady, your opinion of the exact same speech becomes:

You want kids to sit in judgement and 'monitor' how family/friends around them talk?
Then what---are you going to arrest Aunt Sally for dissing her neighbor?

What about freedom of speech????
Does that now mean that our views/opinions of others are now going to be controlled?

Please help me understand this? Could you also please expand on why you think that the Obamas are the "most racist people [you've] seen in power?"

a reply to: snarky412

Oh really..... Am I my brothers keeper?

No... I'm damn sure not.

...and I don't appreciate the Federal Government telling our kids they are their family's keeper. That is fascist in concept, although the Administration is as far from fascist as it gets in some other key ways. Talk about a big pile of mix. A little mix of everything and the worst of most.

We need a snitch society like we need an extended bout with Bubonic plague and this whole line of thinking breeds paranoia in the darkest ultimate directions.

Ha! Years too late in my family!. Just try to say something racist or bigoted in front of my kids. They will sit right up, look you in the eye, and tell you exactly where you went wrong! Does this mean I have taught then to infringe on your free speech, or call a bigot a bigot?

a reply to: snarky412

thats the problem........people dont see beyond the nose on their face and their own false sense of superiority and moral righteousness here.......

They dont see what freedom really is.........

Im not racist one iota.........but I can see what this is , I can see where its leading, and anyone who is being objective can to......

Freedom isnt about having to impose your ideas on someone else whether they are right or wrong.......its not about confronting people who dont agree with you.....

So grandpa is a racist, well then its his own ignorance.......

Freedom is TOLERANCE of those who dont agree with you.......

Freedom means that sometimes we DONT agree.......

Freedom is being able to have a view that whether its ignorant or not, you can still have it.......

Freedom is NOT imposing your ideas on someone else so you can claim moral high ground......

This liberal ideology of what freedom is , is an abomination.......

They want you to have all the freedom you want, as long as it is in line with their own belief system.....and if its not, they want to shut you down......

a reply to: theantediluvian

What she should have done -God forgive me for thinking differently- but instead of isolating that group of people who may not think/talk politically correct *cough*, why didn't Michelle Obama tell the kids to be more open-minded to those around them and just accept the fact that there are people who will say/do things to bother you but to not let it get to you

Learn to accept that our country is made up of a diverse people & cultures and we all can learn from one another and should not pass judgement on those that look or act differently

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: snarky412

Oh really..... Am I my brothers keeper?

No... I'm damn sure not.

...and I don't appreciate the Federal Government telling our kids they are their family's keeper. That is fascist in concept, although the Administration is as far from fascist as it gets in some other key ways. Talk about a big pile of mix. A little mix of everything and the worst of most.

We need a snitch society like we need an extended bout with Bubonic plague and this whole line of thinking breeds paranoia in the darkest ultimate directions.

Quoted for truth!!!!!

Why would anybody have a problem with this? Some of you people on here.......IDK about you.....

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: snarky412

You took a story thats half made up of what she really said, and you complain that the others use the race card

I think you need to re-read the article again and really let the words sink in

a reply to: theantediluvian

First of all, there are others in our country besides blacks & whites....[sorry Michelle]
It's to diverse to wrap it all up in a neat little package and say, 'Okay kiddies, you be sure and tell your friends/families not to feel/think a certain way'
That would be the most utopia world if we were all a like.....but it's not, we're not

Second--Are you all for our freedom of thoughts/feelings to be controlled by kids?

I sure as hell hope not
But that sure seems to be the way our country is headed

You need to wake up and stop drinking the koolaid


BTW, for the record, I usually have a negative opinion of most administrations, the Obama's however take the cake when it comes to diversity

I'm watching this insanity just bubbling up more and more every day.

Regular people, good people, just like many of you here ... are being played like harps from hell.

It's insane.

Yes, if you feel like the words of the First Lady of the United States at a commencement address encouraging high-school age kids to confront racism bravely wherever they see it is fascist, leftist, communist or any other -ist you want to tack on, you're insane.

There's no other word for your behavior. The time for niceties has passed. It's not just a "difference of opinion."

You're like a pack of rabid dogs being whipped into a frenzy for something, I'm not sure quite what yet.

Yeats comes to mind though ... "whirling whirling in the widening gyre ... things fall apart, the center cannot hold."

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: snarky412

What is this , the Year of the Rat ? See Something , say Something . Hitler , Stalin , and Mao would be Proud of the First Misguided Lady Indeed.........

Are you implying that Hitler, Stalin and Mao encouraged young adults (18+) to tell grandpa that his n# jokes aren't funny around the Thanksgiving table?

Please point out what part of her speech you're referring to?

Why would "grandpa" tell n# jokes ?

Who are *You* talking about here?

LOL

My grandfather? Yes, one of my two grandfathers was a racist. I actually remember, as a child visiting my grandparents for the summer, the moment I realized that when my 70 year-old grandfather was talking about the "coons," he was actually talking about the first black family to move into the neighborhood (and this was in the late-80's).

There was a lot of consternation because of a perceived threat to his property value and he was sure the neighborhood was on the verge of turning into a ghetto. My grandmother would always gently admonish him and of course my mom told me after that first summer, that I had to understand that my grandfather was just old and he came from "a different time." The next summer, he was still calling them the "coons" but he didn't seem nearly as concerned by their presence and by the summer after that, he'd actually gotten to know the family and had started referring to them by their names and not as the "coons" when he'd talk about the neighborhood goings-on.

Reflecting on it now, I cannot help but appreciate that my grandfather, who died not too many years later, was able to move beyond his own prejudice. I can't say it had anything to do with anything I'd said to him, but I'd like to think that had I been 18 and not 12, I would have had the courage of conviction to do a little more than stand their with a look of incomprehension.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I'm watching this insanity just bubbling up more and more every day.

Regular people, good people, just like many of you here ... are being played like harps from hell.

It's insane.

Yes, if you feel like the words of the First Lady of the United States at a commencement address encouraging high-school age kids to confront racism bravely wherever they see it is fascist, leftist, communist or any other -ist you want to tack on, you're insane.

There's no other word for your behavior. The time for niceties has passed. It's not just a "difference of opinion."

You're like a pack of rabid dogs being whipped into a frenzy for something, I'm not sure quite what yet.

Yeats comes to mind though ... "whirling whirling in the widening gyre ... things fall apart, the center cannot hold."

I concur....

a reply to: snarky412
I see the intent, but children correcting parents? ok, well that might not go over too well in a lot of households, basically someone else said it, this erodes trust but I guess it's the last stronghold in the country, the privacy of your home, where you can say what you feel, but most children are exposed to more diversity in their schools and neighborhoods, than a lot of parents actually are exposed to in the workplace, so you could possibly see a child's position if the parents hold those staunch views or biased views of others and do use epithets in the house with their children, well this just has a confusing effect especially when children get older and they start making up their own minds and do feel uncomfortable hearing certain language that even in their peer groups at school would be offensive if they did use such language about their friends if they were minorities, while the children are daily around more and more diverse peers, on the other hand I have to ask, did this actually need to be said?

One thing that does come to mind where something like this did get out of control was back in the 1600's, now it's nowhere near that extreme of a subject, but the Salem Witch trials and some other witch hunts, relied heavily on the testimony of children against parents and other community members that might have been involved and those testimonies were in fact enough to have someone put to death by some method, usually being burned at the stake.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Oh really..... Am I my brothers keeper?

No... I'm damn sure not.

We need a snitch society like we need an extended bout with Bubonic plague and this whole line of thinking breeds paranoia in the darkest ultimate directions.

Please tell me where she said anything about snitching? Or monitoring? Or policing?

a reply to: snarky412

I would add, at least in the area I live? It's a very basic concept kids are being encouraged to think nothing of and flout. Respect for their elders.

That's probably downright funny to some these days and for many, I'd bet, age would follow the degree they find it that way in a predictable pattern. However, mouths are still known to be washed out with unscented bars of soap in this part of America and corporal punishment is a way of life. More so, the more rural one gets..and I've seen that hold pretty true without regard to race.

It's a base level of disrespect and air of authority over the home and family. I don't know which is worse though...That we have a First Lady encouraging it or that we have a population largely missing the problem with it.

SO much has changed.

a reply to: 3u40r15m

Racism is bad.

people "policing", "enforcing", "confronting" or any other word meaning the same thing here, on other people is bad.

You dont get to use one to counter the other. Just because you ride the coat tails of good intentions doesnt mean you can do a greater disservice so as to serve "good intentions". That is irresponsible.

By that logic we should stop murderers by murdering them and denying them a trial. We used to have trials in our society but since we are so damn justified... "to hell with that". Lets just kill them in the streets. Murder is wrong isnt it? We would be right by the grace of our intentions alone even though our actions are inherently wrong. RIGHT?

What she is proposing is counter to, and disruptive to, our established society and its ideologies. We are talking about the foundation of our society . No small thing. People CAN think and say what they want. People should decide for themselves rather than be forced by social pressure directed from on high.

We are doing just fine reducing racial tensions without sending "citizen police" out to enforce a "good ideology" on each other they may not all share. I have lived and worked in racially diverse areas my whole life. We never feel racial tensions until some dumbass on TV tries to stir everyone up like race issues were destroying the world all of a sudden more than ever. When we forget about them we all just go back to living our lives.

"You need votes or support from low income voters? Ok, play the race card and position yourself as their vindicator." I have seen politicians do it all the time. Then they walk away and nothing changes BECAUSE IT NEVER WILL. If you just leave the issue alone people will gravitate to their natural center and go back to just living their lives. Racism and counter racism are two sides to the same spectrum of social engineering.

This is all nonsense. Good intentions or not, a greater evil is being advocated.