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originally posted by: andr3w68
I have lied about a lot of things in my life. I'm not proud of it either.
I have even on occasion found myself lying about things that don't matter.
Within the past six months, I've been trying to become more honest. Not only with others, but with myself.
There. I was honest. :-)
originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
a reply to: FyreByrd
When I was a young'n I lied all the time about the stupidest most asinine things. Like personal anecdotes and experiences. As I grew older I realized how pointless it all was and began making a conscious effort to be truthful. It wasn't easy, especially when you found yourself in the midst of a tall tale and realized you were talking out of your ass and you had to either continue the big fish story or be honest. Nowadays I don't tell stories like that and I feel ashamed about the ones I did tell. Honesty has become one of the core principles of my personal "Honor Code" and I (almost) never lie anymore at all especially about stupid stories that I would only embellish to try and impress people, so freaking stupid.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
Well if lying is an intent to deceive and your intent was merely to entertain, then you might actually have been a better person by lying! Of course you could be lying now and your admission could just be more entertainment. In which case I can only say, thanks!
originally posted by: schuyler
It's more important to the community that you be honest than it is to yourself. If the community can't rely on your statements and suffers as a result, its survival is at stake. That's why ethical systems usually contain some statement about honesty and admonish individuals to adhere to this code. To the community, individual honest is a survival characteristic. Honesty is for the good of the community.
To the individual honesty may not be the best characteristic to promote survival. An extreme example is someone being honest when they admit to a crime and being executed as a result. You may as well give the person a Darwin Award for being honest because doing so led to his inability to procreate (being dead and all.)
If someone is honest and professes this as the correct way to be, it is because the community has inculcated the idea into him, perhaps by threatening the dire consequences of Hell as a punishment if he is not, as a desirable characteristic of a person with "good character."
So as a survival characteristic, honesty has its ups and downs, depending on the circumstances. It's not inherently good or bad, but it is promoted by the community as a whole.
originally posted by: Qumulys
a reply to: FyreByrd (sorry, my name is a bit tree hidden, it's Qumulys! But yeah, it's a massive contradiction.
Mum might say to dad "can you fix the faulty light globe in the laundry". Dad gets up to do the task, meanwhile mum grabs the last two squares of chocolate from the pantry and gives the kid and herself one and makes a "shhhh" sign with her finger on her lips. Kid thinks, hmmm that was a clever trick, we have pulled one over dad and gotten a bit of chocolate, sweet! Meanwhile dad has taken two seconds to find out the light is fine, but uses the quick get-away to take a swig from the whisky bottle hidden under the laundry sink.
I don't think we can help it! That's why I think it must be a myth... Even trying to do something nice for someone to be honorable, is in itself dishonorable because we do it because it makes us feel better in ourselves... So can honor even exist if it's definition is a lack of intent to deceive? We deceive ourselves in trying to prove otherwise...
In English, the word originally had more to do with honor than honest.