Two pics from Oilantaytambo that 100% defy evolution

a reply to: randyvs

"that ************ doesn't begin to explain "

Kind of sums up your entire thread.

a reply to: thedeadtruth

Vague and uninteresting.

Great post.

a reply to: noonebutme

I didn't think that sort of thing was allowed here..?

Mostly depends on who you are I guess.

a reply to: Barcs

I suppose you have to be driven enough to want to understand what the story is telling. A person can tell what parts of stories are symbolic and what parts are recounting things that happened just by reading the story and paying attention to it. You can't say all of it is symbolic and everything is just made up to teach a lesson through symbolism, because that is not true at all.
If that is the way you want to think of it, that's a choice you make. People are smart enough (if they want to be), to tell the difference between actual history and a symbolic meaning by someone telling the story.

The stories in the bible happened and were chosen for how they symbolize a meaning, which is why the story is being told. To teach something by way of real life examples. Some of them use symbolism to make your mind reason out the meaning. They make you work for the meaning. It was meant to be like that so you will either appreciate it, or hate it and never want to learn any of it. A person willing to check it out with an unbiased mind will get much more from it than someone with a bitter attitude towards it. It teaches people to be selfless instead of selfish, and that is why it is scorned by so many.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I suppose you have to be driven enough to want to understand what the story is telling. A person can tell what parts of stories are symbolic and what parts are recounting things that happened just by reading the story and paying attention to it. You can't say all of it is symbolic and everything is just made up to teach a lesson through symbolism, because that is not true at all. If that is the way you want to think of it, that's a choice you make. People are smart enough (if they want to be), to tell the difference between actual history and a symbolic meaning by someone telling the story.

I would say that's all well and good, except that there's a tremendous amount of disagreement within the Christian community over which are symbolic and which are not. Creation? Adam and Eve? Global flood? Plagues? Parting of the Red Sea? Burning bush? Jonah and the whale? Virgin birth? Water into wine? Loaves and fishes? Raising Lazarus from the dead? I've heard starkly different answers about which of these events are to be taken literally or not from people who claim to be of the same faith.

a reply to: iterationzero

I've heard starkly different answers about which of these events are to be taken literally or not from people who claim to be of the same faith.

So hearing starkly different answers, from STARKLY
different people of the same faith? Provides you with avenue?
Despite the fact that everyone one is supposed to get thier own
message from scripture. That's just a weak cop out.

a reply to: randyvs

I think the point is, that the Truth, no matter what it is, isn't subjective. Therefore it is impossible to ascertain the "truth" from a book where no one can agree to what is and isn't real. The truth is constant, it doesn't care if you are upset with it about it. It is anyways. That is why the bible is flawed. It tries to shoehorn subjectivity into an objective concept. Not to mention there are just as many abhorrent things in the bible that teach lessons FAR more terrifying than be nice to each other. The OT alone reads like a horror novel.

a reply to: randyvs

randyvs - can you please repost the two pics?

Somehow they are not showing up on both Firefox and IE.

Thanks.

a reply to: edmc^2

Working fine here on Chrome. Here's an imgur reupload:

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a reply to: GetHyped

Great - thanks GetHyped.

a reply to: randyvs

So hearing starkly different answers, from STARKLY
different people of the same faith? Provides you with avenue?
Despite the fact that everyone one is supposed to get thier own
message from scripture. That's just a weak cop out.

Avenue for what? What am I copping out of? We weren't talking about the message, randy. We were talking about which parts of the Bible were meant to be taken literally vs which should be taken as metaphor. I was specifically commenting on the following sentence from NoCorruptionAllowed's post:

People are smart enough (if they want to be), to tell the difference between actual history and a symbolic meaning by someone telling the story.

I take that to mean, on an objective level, that you're either smart enough to know exactly which parts of the Bible are meant to be taken literally and which aren't, or you're not. Given the number of different permutations of literal vs nonliteral I've heard in my own experience, the implication would be that there's a large number of Christians who, using NCA's logic, aren't smart enough to know which is which.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I see where you're coming from. My point was that you can't look at every story and give them the same merit simply because it's in the same compilation book. Some of them are indeed historical stories and some are metaphors. Some have a mix of both. The creation story, the great flood, Jonah and the whale, etc are obviously there to teach a lesson and didn't actually happen. I see stories like that like the parables of Jesus. He wasn't referring to real life events, he was telling a story to teach a lesson on morality. There's no reason whatsoever to think that everything referred to in the bible is from real life events. Also people don't scorn the bible because it teaches people to be selfless. They scorn it because of the unrealistic stories like the ones I mentioned above, and because it also refers to numerous violent and oppressive acts (ie slavery, inferiority of women, and at some points describes a vengeful egotistical god). I know most of that is in the Old Testament, but it's still regarded as the "word of god" by many despite being written by numerous unconfirmed sources.

a reply to: iterationzero

I take that to mean, on an objective level, that you're either smart enough to know exactly which parts of the Bible are meant to be taken literally and which aren't, or you're not. Given the number of different permutations of literal vs nonliteral I've heard in my own experience, the implication would be that there's a large number of Christians who, using NCA's logic, aren't smart enough to know which is which.

Very well, perhaps I was off center, focused on the ultimate
truthful message that comes from individual interpretation.
Which I have proven to my self subjectively. And scream
constantly that even you can do. In the right frame of mind.
Just as I can tell you and people have even witnessed me do.

That after some time spent, with my mind given over to the light
of eternal mind. (praying) I can stand facing the North with Bible in hand
eyes closed. And ask a question. Flip open THE LIVING BIBLE
look down, open my eyes and read the sentence past the first
period I see.

On an average that has been given absolute attention.
Questions confined specifically to my relationship
with OUR father in heaven? I read a sentence that fits the
question perfectly, a conservative ninty percent of the time.
And I must say, it is extremely encouraging. I get chicken skin
just sitting here writing about it.

I don't even know what led me to this finding. But I feel the definition
of the word evolution is far better sereved, in the context of a
relationship with Jesus Christ.

So speaking subjectively, I know it. And anyone else can if they
choose. So you made a choice at some point. and try to prove
my choice is stupid? And I just can't help bui laugh. Even tho
I know it's wrong to do so.

But my task is specific. Follow Jesus! And don't drive myself
out of my mind by trying to be JESUS.

is evolution disproven yet?

a reply to: TzarChasm

Who said it was? Another reading disability?

If I DEFY gravity does that disprove gravity?

How in TF does that work?

I want to know?

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: TzarChasm

Who said it was? Another reading disability?

If I DEFY gravity does that disprove gravity?

How in TF does that work?

I want to know?

talk about reading difficulties, my post was a question, not a statement. i thought your whole game here was to disprove evolution with those pictures. cool your jets.

a reply to: TzarChasm

My jets are way cool and I'm the coolest.
I just don't understand the countless
misinterpretations of the G-D heading hombre!

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: TzarChasm

My jets are way cool and I'm the coolest.
I just don't understand the countless
misinterpretations of the G-D heading hombre!

why post stuff about pictures that defy evolution if the point is not to disprove evolution?

a reply to: TzarChasm

Um G, maybe it has to do with the fact that I know better!

Are you sure you understand the difference betwen the two?

I want to know?

That's an ignorant question.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: TzarChasm

My jets are way cool and I'm the coolest.
I just don't understand the countless
misinterpretations of the G-D heading hombre!

But those pictures don't defy evolution either...

a reply to: TzarChasm

Yes. The top creationist minds that frequent this forum have debunked the evil liberal homosexual atheist Marxist propaganda colloquially known as "evilution" and shown it to be the farce that it is.