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Why i am So Sure of my Belief, and Why i Suffer

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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 07:30 PM
The Parabolic Tale of i

Some say suffering is a growing pain. That consciousness will pass from this painful existence into a better existence after death or upon ascension. i would like to believe this is true, i have recognized patterns that imply this is true, but how can i be sure?

There is no 'true' proof of this metaphysical theory, as it has been pointed out by philosophers. This is known as the subjective experience. But what of the objective world? Can objective reasoning come to the same conclusions as subjective reality?

i will show how...

Deep down at the bottom of the objective, i find that what seems purely objective, is technically subjective. In math, proofs are not actually proven, but rather unable to be disproved. What cannot be disproved in math are called axioms. i recommend exploring this idea now if it is unfamiliar. A short example of Algebraic Axioms:

Reflexive Axiom a=a
Symmetric Axiom if a=b then b=a
Additive Axiom if a=b and c=d then a+c=b+d
Multiplicative Axiom if a=b and c=d then ac=bd

So if that is as such then i can use a=a to link a defined subjective philosophical idea to an arbitrarily objective model.

Lets start with nothing.
Nothing is equal to nothing.

i am experiencing something for sure, so i can't have nothing without something. Some philosophers say you cannot actually experience 'nothing' as in the archetypical atheist 'afterlife', so in 0=0 there is 'something'

i know what i experience is felt as either good or bad, positive or negative.

But in this reality i experience, this equation doesn't ever appear to balance. i seem to have to strive toward the positive, doing good at my own expense within this evil world. So the spiritual claim there is a separation of worlds, a heaven and hell so to speak.

So just as i can't have nothing without something, i can't have a positive world without a negative world. So far the equation is matching up with the subjective spiritual 'truth' or, the Metaphysical Axiom as i will refer to it.

How then, does it explain how i can move from a negative continuum to a positive continuum?

This is where i get to use the imagination a little...

More specifically, the imaginary number i
i recommend exploring this concept thoroughly if it is unfamiliar.

i is an irrational number that is required to solve math that involves squares and roots, and i have seen that a^2+b^2=c^2, and that objects fall according to the inverse-square law, so i is actually a real mechanic of reality, not simply a variable such as x y or z.

i =
because there is not a number you can multiply by itself to get -1

i will now present you with this equation, which if you have been closely following along, is a kind of mathematical koan.

So now i get to the Metaphysical Axiom that models reality as i experience it


where 0 is infinity

= is the emergence or transformation

1 is the positive continuum i strive to become part of, which can be increased to any population, as long as there is an equal negative continuum to balance it

+ and ( and ) are the separations of continuums and personal realities

* is the interaction between realities

i is me or you

and i*i is the interaction between two consciousnesses which allows observation of what is positive and negative so that -1 can = +1 in this frame of relativity

That is how i am so sure. Because 0=1+((i)*(i))

posted on May, 15 2014 @ 07:44 PM
You chose, or asked with core-life-level sincerity, to enter the Labyrinth. More than many ever do. There is only one path that has been established just for you. There is now no way back. To choose any deviation away from your path within the Labyrinth will result in an admonition. This includes going too fast or too slow.

Mine took about 40 years to complete.
edit on 15-5-2014 by tkwasny because: Typo fix

posted on May, 15 2014 @ 08:00 PM
a reply to: MemeticHarvest

I tried really hard to prove you wrong, but in the end, your math is iron clad

The only caveat is our definition of "nothing". I don't believe in "nothing". I do, however, believe in infinity. I would change your zero to infinity.
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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 08:57 PM
According to what was written in the OP i*i can give +-1?

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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 10:26 PM
Kabbala, and its what they believe . I don't concur. Just a way of calculating the need for suffering, whereas infinity does not require negativity. That is a choice.

posted on May, 15 2014 @ 11:38 PM
a reply to: Aedaeum

If you don't believe in nothing, then you do believe in everything. And the OP did quantify 0 as infinity. This should all be common knowledge. I think, therefore, I would like another beer.

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 12:11 AM
a reply to: skunkape23

0 is nothing, whether you want to say that it's infinity or not; it is a quantifiable value. Infinity is infinity. It's easy enough for anything to be prescribed a value, such that an apple could be an elephant, or light could be a wave. His argument is that there can't be nothing and therefore nothing must be something, however I don't believe in "nothing" (as a metaphysical concept) to begin with, therefore I cast directly to infinity.

In my opinion, saying that it is 0, is misleading.
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posted on May, 16 2014 @ 05:01 AM
I am not a mathematic guy..i only can think in maybe for mathematic people this sounds strange..

when you equate 0 with infinity ...the structure will crumble under its own weight ZERO is not NOthing and its not Infinity. Its literally the center point of both. Because nothingness and Infinity are the same.

Our linear (positive) mathematics are not built to understand ZERO and the potential in it..What we still don´t get is that there is also "a shadow reflection" of everything that exists in physicality. . A "ghost particle of every single particle" in the non physicality.

Thats why ZERO is not infinity ...its NOTHINGNESS from wich everything spans..

I saw a good approach here:

The linear equation will be as follows: X+Y+Z+T+(-X)+(-Y)+ (-Z)+ (-T)= O. Now, this idea, each factor with a plus in between, adding up to the idea of zero on the other side of the equation, will represent the basic balance and imply the so-called nothingness out of which all is created. The geometric figure , which represents this, will be a double-pyramidal tetrahedron, base to base, one pyramid pointing up, one pointing down; each being three-sided, having a common base, two apexes, one up, one down. The common base, the three points that form the common base for both tetrahedrons will be both the X, the Y and the Z points, and the negative X, the negative Y and the negative Z points. The upper apex will be the T point. The lower apex will be the negative T point. Figure 1: A Double Pyramidal Tetrahedron. Drawing a line, if you will, from the top apex to the bottom apex and passing through the central plane which defines the X, Y, Z, -X, -Y, -Z points, the center of all those points will be the zero point; the
center of the entire structure.
Now, the definition of this structure, of this symbol, is as follows: Your scientists have been delving into
matter, rendering it down to smaller and smaller components, searching for the basic building block of
all matter. To date, they have discovered the idea that the basic, so-called, building blocks of matter out
of energy comes in thirds. These thirds they have represented as being what they call "quarks," in your
There will be, then, the six ideas of this double tetrahedron. The faces, one, two, three. . . top; one, two,
three... bottom, represent the idea, so to speak, of the relationship of the quark, and in this way, will
show how, using the tetrahedral structure, which is the basic three-dimensional structure you can have,
they, as a solid, exemplify the idea of what you call, in your scientific terms, the "uncertainty principle."
Being that the basic fundamental unit of matter is, as you describe it to be, the idea of the quark, the
third part of any structure you consider to be a whole, so to speak, an active part. You will see in your
uncertainty principle that you cannot know what you call position and momentum, simultaneously.
If you recognize, in any tetrahedral structure, the idea that the base, forming the X, Y, Z components of
space, and the apex component of time, then you can recognize that, in the tetrahedral structure, any
facet, any face of the tetrahedral structure, will contain, at any given moment, either only, if you take the
base to be one face. All the X, Y, Z components of location in space, and none of the components of T,
time, and, hence, none of the components of the idea of momentum but only the component of the idea
of position; or any of the other faces, each of which, being in a plane that you can measure, which is
open to you to measure; the idea of any two position components and one time apex component, either:
X and Y and T,Y and Z and T, or Z and X and T, but none of the three altogether of X, Y, Z. And, in this way, you can
see that, while you have the complete time component and hence the complete momentum component,
you have only two thirds of the position component and cannot know the third.
If you are measuring X, Y and T, Y, Z and T, Z, X and T, you will always have the T, but always be
missing a third, which will define, in your third dimensional reality, the X, Y, and Z that you need, to
determine position.Now, this is the structure of the crystal, the basic foundation crystal which defines the template of your physical reality, and you will find that this is the only thing that bridges physicality into non-physicality.

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 05:08 AM
the important part

For you see the idea of space/time is, in and of itself, the methodology. The definition, the creation of space/time is, in and of itself, the methodology by which you create all matter and energy in your reality. And it is this idea, which you are located within such an idea, such a construct of space/time, which 2gives rise to the idea that your universe is something physically existing outside yourselves. Now, as it relates, this template idea, to all the other disciplines, religion, metaphysics, and so forth: You will find that it forms, as we said, the pattern upon which consciousness can allow the energy field to take the various shapes that it does, the various wave lengths, vibrations, amplitudes, modulations that it does, to form all the solidifications of the energy which rests upon, and is supported by, this template field. You can, therefore, understand the idea implied in the triad in this way: How you have recognized, many times, that things are connected in the idea you call threes, as this will be a representation of the idea of the template crystal, the double tetrahedron, both positive and negative, pointing up, pointing down, to allow for all opportunities to occur within your universe. And by this one equation alone can everything be manifest.

It is this equation and the idea of the source of the consciousness at the zero rest point through which all ideas can be manifest into this six-sided, five-pointed equation which will allow you to recognize the unification of all ideas, all beliefs, all fields, all energy motions and all electromagnetic mentality in your universe.

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posted on May, 16 2014 @ 05:32 AM

Dont Suffer!

Because when you suffer. You only suffer because a belief is created that gives rise to a whole universe of your own suffering.

Be aware.

Don´t wait for the mirror to smile. Smile first so that reality can mirror your smile.

Be in the vibration you want to be through imagination ("imagination allows you to perceive it, to allow yourselves to act as this crystal, as this fundamental beingness; which will show that the five points, five apexes and the six facets are all that give rise to the
eleven-dimensionality that your physicists have described as being infolded into the entire idea of
existence, as you perceive it. It is this structure, in and of itself, which represents all that you hold to be
the expanse outwardly of your universe and inwardly of your universe")

IMAGINATION is the key.

Be in the state you want to be and see the reflection (reality) react. First slow...and than faster and faster and faster.

Don´t be patient. Already BE the One who does not need to wait because you are fulfilled.

You have a big potential.

Thats for sure.

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posted on May, 16 2014 @ 06:01 AM
a reply to: MemeticHarvest

When you talk about pain and suffering, what is it that you're talking about?

Are you talking about the pain and suffering that happens when you help someone else out and wind up getting hurt in the process?

Are you talking about someone saying mean things to you or harming you in some way?

Are you talking about the pain and suffering that comes from an extreme change where something is lost such as a loved one?

All of these are different type of suffering, for example, the pain and suffering that comes from helping others is a pain that happens because of the selfish part of mind that has a self-interest rather than helping another.

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 06:36 AM
a reply to: MemeticHarvest

So, for we to have great goodness there should be also great evilness?
If true...
As we see the rise of evilness we should as well see the rise of goodness.

In a religious point of view, that is the only way for the second coming of Jesus. Could this be ?

Thanks for the thoughts

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posted on May, 16 2014 @ 08:52 AM
a reply to: MemeticHarvest

had to read it a few times.. *machinery clunking*

i thought that was really cool.. (hieroglyphics aside)
how the 1 being subtracted makes zero (the nothing)
it really does explain itself & just seems like common sense, nothing special..
..but it can mean so much more (in regards to those other i and i's)

couldn't help but also view it all as a *process*
0 = (1-1)
which is kind-of... fascinating, really? ..because i'm pretty sure nothing comes from nothing (that is to say, nothing happens without purpose, or uhh, that is to say, there is a reason why a thing happens.. which is all very common sense and metaphysical at the same time, but you know what i mean)
..that process must have a reason for being too
..always that annoying question

in regards to concepts like heaven & hell in all this, i couldn't help but wonder..
if an experiencer is derived from the 1-1 process (and those derivative equations), what real link or place does the experiencer have back in the original zero? (assuming one believes in the zero..)

or whatever

maths is scary..

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 09:36 AM
a reply to: Aedaeum
and to UNIT76

i think you are both right in the sense that it could be better described as process which starts from nothing and leads to infinity.


The transformation from digital to analog

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 09:39 AM
a reply to: MemeticHarvest

WAY too much dang math. I now have dyscalculia from the neurological issues associated with Sjogrens. Can you explain it without math. Why do I suffer? I'd like to hear your reasoning ... but without math if possible.

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 10:01 AM
a reply to: arpgme

When i talk about pain and suffering i am talking about it in a fundamental fashion.

About when i get cold, or hot.
Or even when i don't 'feel right.'
When i see someone else suffer.
Or even when i see someone else being misunderstood, or their suffering and trials belittled as when people think 'they have not suffered as i have.'

When i have to smile first so that reality can mirror my smile.

i consider these things as evidence that i live in a negative continuum, where enlightenment and happiness are momentary.

Even if i lived a life of absolute luxury, i would still suffer, knowing that my happiness stood on the backs on those who suffered. The blood tree of liberty.

i am not trying to complain, my life, relatively, is very good to me. What i am trying to do is make sense of the grim realization of the negative continuum in a way that those who have suffered for me and you have not suffered in vain.

A little off topic here but perhaps one day it will turn out that the extreme suffering of others is a special kind of quantum illusion, and that everyone that is real has suffered exactly the same amount as i have, so that i will not carry the guilt of eating from the fruit of the blood tree of liberty.

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 10:19 AM

i consider these things as evidence that i live in a negative continuum, where enlightenment and happiness are momentary.

as long as you are not independent from the way reality mirrors your state and as long as you think the mirror has a life unto will only let it reflect the fractal nature of the past.
There is no evidence for anything in the mirror. But as soon as you THINK/Believe that it tells you something about yourself....It will create evidence for that. And this is the fractal nature of it: EVIDENCE will create EVIDENCE and therefore you will be trapped in the sense that you got evidence for evidence.
But all the time the only thing that is happening is : you get evidence that your own focus/belief/Thoughstructure is mirrored by reality.

i am not trying to complain, my life, relatively, is very good to me. What i am trying to do is make sense of the grim realization of the negative continuum in a way that those who have suffered for me and you have not suffered in vain.

in a universe of infinite free choice...and endless parallel possibilite states....NOTHING DOES SOMETHING FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAN FOR THE OWN CHOICE!

There is no aboluste guilt.

There can be sometimes imbalances but they will always be reflected back. So everything is paid.

Guilt is what will always perpetuate limitation.
Hate may be the diametric, dynamic polarity expression of love, but guilt is the true mechanical opposite.
Hate involves the concept that you deserve still involes Love for the SELF......, whereas guilt is completely devoid of the sense of deservability.
Guilt is a mechanism to keep you in the status quo of lack of self-empowerment. Because when you truly believe you dont deserve full connection to your full potential because of THIS AND THAT....when you believe the infinity (abundance) is not available for you ...than you must control every step to freedom because you believe that you are not worthy enough.

THIS IS PURE ARROGANCE.. Because you say: infinite existence made an error by creating you......

but christianity CLOUDED this arrogance by saying "we must be humble and must feel guilt".....

"This scenario has become the very ethic of your society. When you do not believe you are connected, you thus do not believe you can create things you desire in your lives with great ease and effortlessness, and things become worthless to you if you don't create suffering in order to get them. "No pain, no gain," as you say. When you are told a story in your world, and that story contains pain and conflict, struggle and strife, you say, "Oh my! Very realistic story!" When you are told a story where it says, "And they lived happily ever after," you say, "Huh! Fairy tale! That's not real life.""

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posted on May, 16 2014 @ 03:49 PM
a reply to: FlyersFan

i am following the logic of 'cannot have nothing without something' to 'cannot have a positive continuum without a negative continuum' that is to say, i suffer within a stable negative world, so that i can transfer into a stable positive world when i have achieved personal positive nonambiguity. This has been said many ways throughout history, from a very binary perspective (example Christianity) to a very analog perspective (example consciousness evolution)

Which is believed is arbitrary, what i was trying to explain was how the math supports the theory that even though things are painful now, there is a very bright future ahead of us all

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 04:05 PM

originally posted by: MemeticHarvest
When i talk about pain and suffering i am talking about it in a fundamental fashion.

About when i get cold, or hot.
Or even when i don't 'feel right.'
When i see someone else suffer.

The 'i' you speak of is nothing. The appearance, cold/hot/not feeling right is also nothing.
What is actually happening is not a thing - it is a happening.
There is nothing happening to no one.
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posted on May, 16 2014 @ 04:11 PM
The idea that there is a real solid I (a me, an individual) is what gives the illusion that there is someone suffering. Really there is just ever changing flowing never truly forming formless movement.

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