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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Krazysh0t
You have "never" seen this? Or maybe, you just don't notice it? You are kind of proving my point.
English is NOT America's "native" language. The fact that you think this is a fact, just further proves that you don't even realize what your own opinions say about you.
And now we get to your true feelings:
What's wrong with stereotypes?
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hey look at that, AA results in racism against white people
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It's just a word.
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Also if they want to use it, then they are just going to have to get right with other races using it too.
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What's wrong with disliking someone for any reason?
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Some white kid says a dirty joke about black people to his friends. Who is he hurting?
Like I said, most racists don't even realize they are racists.
In fact I have not called you a racists. I equated your argument to the same as Donald Sterlings arguments...trying to deflect and ignore the problem, which is racism, and saying that the REAL problem are people calling out racism.
I do think you have some racists opinions...and I don't think you even realize it. You think it is fine to call black people the "N" word because they do, you think stereotypes are fine, you think racists jokes are funny and don't hurt anyone, you think affirmative action is not needed, you think that whites are discriminated against in this country.
You may say you aren't racists...but the vibe you are putting out there is definitely contrary to that.
What you want is for people to ignore the problem. Ignoring the problem is never a solution...the only people who benefit from the problem being ignored are those causing the problem...so why do you really want the problem of racism to be ignored?
Of course this doesn't mean that we can't ALWAYS ignore racism. If it exists, then call it out. That's fine, but think about your actions before doing them. Can the person you are talking to just be disagreeing with your points instead of some imaginary difference between the two of you? Why not try the benefit of the doubt first? I understand that racism exists, there are some very real and hateful people out there, but to pretend like EVERY person who isn't of your race/sex/religion/etc is out to get you is disingenuous, not to mention is racist in of itself. You are becoming that which you are accusing your opponent of.
originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Mutual respect for one another would be a good start, there are many times I want to speak up on the forum but don't because I have affection for the poster, so I don't call them out on the issue, many times I have wanted to start topics, but thought better not to because I didn't want to offend certain segments of the forum family.
Why knowing there are Christians on the forum would you want to purposely insult them continually?
Unless you had an agenda.
Some people I have learned to ignore because their post cut like a knife, and put me in a bad mood, because I know I don't want to argue with them, no one ever wins.
Why do I want to be around all this negative energy everyday?
It IS America's native language, it is what the majority of America speaks.
So? We are all human. Are you going to deny that you don't have racist thoughts against white people? You clearly do since you seem to think that whites aren't discriminated against in this country.
originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: theantediluvian
I have straight up been called a racist on this forum by members.
I see you joined in 2013, how long have you been reading?
You must have missed a lot.
Krazy if the same things that are said about Christians on ATS, were said about African Americans we would get closed down.
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Krazysh0t
How can you tell the difference between someone with a legitimate criticism and a person using a topic to promote their own personal bias?
originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Krazysh0t
It IS America's native language, it is what the majority of America speaks.
I'm not sure you know what "native" means.
English is NOT America's native language...English is England's native language...Spanish is Spain's native language...Italian is Italy's native language.
The United States of America (not "America") had many native languages, the culture never developed to the point where a common native language surfaced. But English is definitely NOT our native language.
You can call it the dominant language or the most popular language, but it is not the native language.
Well...I'm white...so no I don't.
It may surprise you, but not all humans are racists. You just 100% proved my point. You are admitting that you have racists views...and you don't even think it is abnormal...you think all humans are the same way. This is my point...most racists don't even realize they are racists. In your case, you view it as a normal part of being human...it is not...that is just a justification for views and opinions you hold that you KNOW are not in line with societal norms.
I would wager you are over the age of 30, most likely closer to or older than 40. If true, it explains a lot...you grew up in a time where your parents still thought racism was natural...just like you do. Times have changed, society has changed...people are no longer afraid to call others out on their racists views. I get that you don't like that, most people don't like being called out on their views that don't line up with society.
I do think you have racist views, you have admitted you have racists views. That doesn't mean I hate you...it doesn't mean I think you are evil...it just means that your views and opinions are not as advanced as our current society.
But don't think that the problem is other people for having the courage now to call out racism when they see it...that is the only way we will completely be rid of it. Being silent is the way for it to continue. And no racist view is too small to call out if we truly want to rid society of it. Eventually time and age will do the hard work, old racists will die and their children will align more with society than with their outdated ways of thinking.
You haven't lost respect for the word "racist", I suspect you never had respect for it in the first place, you just seem upset that people are finally calling out any form of racism. I think you liked it better when only the men in white hoods who lynched blacks were called racists...not the little old lady who used to like blacks when she was younger, because back then they knew their place...and definitely not the person who thinks racist jokes are funny and that they should be able to call blacks the "N" word because they do. That is what this thread is about.
originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Mutual respect for one another would be a good start, there are many times I want to speak up on the forum but don't because I have affection for the poster, so I don't call them out on the issue, many times I have wanted to start topics, but thought better not to because I didn't want to offend certain segments of the forum family.
Why knowing there are Christians on the forum would you want to purposely insult them continually?
Unless you had an agenda.
Some people I have learned to ignore because their post cut like a knife, and put me in a bad mood, because I know I don't want to argue with them, no one ever wins.
Why do I want to be around all this negative energy everyday?
originally posted by: kruphix
The problem with racists is that they don't even realize they are racists. And that leads them to think that people are "just playing the race card" when in reality they just don't recognize the racism.
The other problem with racists is that they think others should just ignore "race"...because that would make it easy for them to spout out their racists views/opinions without being confronted. But they don't see it as people calling out their racists views...they think people are just trying to deflect.
Look at Donald Sterling, this is exactly what he is doing...it is like he could have written this thread.
originally posted by: JuniorDisco
I don't see the race card being played that often, in the sense of someone shutting down an argument by calling the other person a racist. At least not as often as I hear of the card apparently being played. Could you give me a recent example?
originally posted by: Euphem
a reply to: angelchemuel
Actually that is not true. There was a study done recently that showed kids are naturally born racist. It is a survival instinct and built into our DNA to want to be a part of a tribe that is most like ourselves. This means naturally wanting to be around people of your own color. It doesn't mean that person is bad or doesn't like people of the other color, they just generally feel more comfortable around them is all.
So everyone is racist whether they like it or not.
originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: Stormdancer777
The one you insult the most by not posting a thread or a response is yourself.
Your ideas and opinions are just as valid as anyone's.
This is how code words like "racist" work - they shut dialogue before it even happens out of fear.
Nobody is a label, our beliefs change with life experience.
Discussion and debate are an important part of our maturation process.
Forget their name-calling and assert your 1st Amendment rights.
(which is only ours so long as we choose to exercise it)
originally posted by: Painterz
Well, but on the other side of the coin. One of the things I really don't like about this forum is I have quite regularly seen some utterly staggering displays of racism.
And usually the people uttering their racist statements quickly run and hide behind this defence of 'How dare you play the race card, your argument is invalid!' As many racists do, to avoid having to confront the reality that deep down they're actually racists.
So it's a difficult question.
Listen up here buddy, racism isn't black and white. You are viewing racism as a black and white thing. You either are or you aren't racist. This is absurd since nothing else works that way. Dualism is wrong, reality is completely subjective, that includes even racism. It is possible to harbor some racist thoughts and not be full blown racist. It is part of being human. If you knew me (well at all), you'd know that I am one of the most compassionate and nice people you could meet, blunt yes, but I would never do anything to hurt someone else. You need to drop the dualistic view of racism that you have adopted. It isn't reality. Having stereotypical thoughts doesn't make you racist, it is just observing some like tendencies of a different group of people. I happen to ALSO laugh at stereotype jokes made at my own expense as well. Seriously you have a lot to learn about the world and hate. You really don't know what real racism is.
Having stereotypical thoughts doesn't make you racist, it is just observing some like tendencies of a different group of people.
And you would lose that bet. I'm 29. See there you go again with the dumb assumptions.
How about you explain why it is necessary for an application to include someone's race if that isn't supposed to be taken into consideration when hiring someone.
Why is it racist to object to things like Obamacare?
Why is a game where a bunch of black people go and jump white people called a "game" yet a bunch of white people going and beating up a black person is a hate crime?
You are clearly young, I'm going to guess by the age comment earlier in the thread that you are probably even younger than I, say early twenties, late teens. You are probably in college and inundated with college liberalism and idealism.
You are arguing with me armed with a butter knife while I am armed with a machine gun. You are just out of your league here.
It's fine though, I used to be there with such black and white views on racism, then I got out and experienced more of the world and realized that everyone harbors some hate or dislike in them, but that doesn't automatically make them racist. They have to act on that hate first.
See, because you view racism as something can only happen to a minority, you have already shown me that you do not know what racism truly is. White people can certainly be and are victims of racism.
There certainly ARE racist policies on the books against white people, AA being chief among them (by the way, I have no problem having a minority or non-white person getting a job or position that they are QUALIFIED for, but by and by AA results in MANY MANY MANY unqualified individuals getting jobs over more qualified ones all because they are minorities and that is wrong).
Then you defend wild accusations of racism against people for disagreeing with someone who happens to be a minority. Why do you think it is ok for a Democrat to call someone a racist for not liking the ACA?