Did the USA invent Time Travel?

Ask the "men/angels at the tomb" of Jesus. They were obviously some kind of time travelers. My guess would either be Mormons or Scientologists from the future.

Ref: (Matthew 28:1-2) (Mark 16:5) (Luke 24:4) (John 20:1-2,12)

a reply to: mbkennel

it is likely the demagnetization, militaries do similar things today, we even drive/sail our subs past and through vast hydrophone arrays in order to listen to the sounds they make. Any bumps clinks or out of place sounds, and it is back to dock to figure it out.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Not to derail further, but if the angels at Jesus' tomb were mormons or scientologists, wouldn't Christians all be mormons or scientologists?

Did the USA invent Time Travel?

Yes, a very lucrative form of time travel called "teenagers" and "rock and roll".



Be sure to tip those waitresses. I'll be here all night.

originally posted by: CrisMajor
The Philadelphia Experiment is a known hoax.
Old news; move along

Yes, but when conspiracy theorists read the article at your link, they see this:

According to a 2002 book by the popular writers James Moseley and Karl Pflock, in early 1957, Jessup was contacted by the Office of Naval Research (ONR) in Washington, D.C., and was asked to study the contents of a parcel that it had received.[6] Upon his arrival, Jessup was surprised to learn that a paperback copy of his UFO book had been mailed to the ONR in a manila envelope marked "Happy Easter." The book had been extensively annotated in its margins, and an ONR officer asked Jessup if he had any idea as to who had done so. Moseley and Pflock claim that the lengthy annotations were written with three different shades of pink ink, and they appeared to detail a correspondence among three individuals, only one of which is given a name: "Jemi." The ONR labelled the other two "Mr A." and "Mr B." The annotators refer to each other as "Gypsies," and discuss two different types of "people" living in outer space. Their text contained non-standard use of capitalization and punctuation, and detailed a lengthy discussion of the merits of various elements of Jessup's assumptions in the book. Their oblique references to the Philadelphia Experiment suggested prior or superior knowledge. (One example is that "Mr B." reassures his fellow annotators who have highlighted a certain theory which Jessup advanced.)[6] Based on the handwriting style and subject matter, Jessup identified "Mr A." as Allende / Allen. Others have suggested that the three annotations are from the same person, using three pens.[citation needed] The annotated book supposedly sparked sufficient interest for the ONR to fund a small printing of the volume by the Texas-based Varo Manufacturing Company.[7] A 2003 transcription of the annotated "Varo edition" is available online, complete with three-color notes.[8] Later, the ONR contacted Jessup, claiming that the return address on Allende's letter to Jessup was an abandoned farmhouse. They also informed Jessup that the Varo Corporation, a research firm, was preparing a print copy of the annotated version of The Case for the UFO, complete with both letters he had received. About a hundred copies of the Varo Edition were printed and distributed within the Navy. Jessup was also sent three for his own use. Jessup attempted to make a living writing on the topic, but his follow-up book did not sell well. His publisher rejected several other manuscripts. In 1958, his wife left him, and his friends described him as being depressed and somewhat unstable when he traveled to New York. After returning to Florida, he was involved in a serious car accident and was slow to recover, which added to his depression. He was found dead on April 20, 1959, and the death was ruled a suicide.

This is the stuff that conspiracies are made of..... A government agency involved, apparent suicide in the end.

The fact it was based on Einsteins work and there are many reports of strange things concerning the experiment.. would suggest something was covered up it either worked or went horribly wrong...

Probably the latter of the two

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Don't forget Tesla. We already forget about him often enough.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mbkennel

They would have had to do a massive overhaul, probably taking most of a year, immediately after. There's no evidence that I've seen that immediately after the experiment ended, she went in for refit, and stayed there for awhile.

It's far more likely that you're right and they were attempting to demagnetize the hull.

Yeah.

I read the "Philadelphia_Experiment" page on the Wiki. Everything seems to be driven by one "Carlos Allende" who wrote to Jessup anonymously through the mail. I think it's just one paranoid schizophrenic who started a ghost story.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
The stories also claim that there were people melted into the deck and hull of the Eldridge after the experiment, but the Eldridge was later sold to Greece after it was retired from US service. Somehow I doubt that if anything like that happened to her they'd be selling her to another country.

Is there any evidence they did actually sell it to Greece, or did they just say they did?

IOW, are there any images of it in service after it was supposed to have been sold on?

If there are, that's fairly good evidence the Eldridge wasn't that important to the US, which it would have been if it was involved in TT.

If there aren't any, and it turns out the US lied about selling it to Greece to explain it not being around...

originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mbkennel

They would have had to do a massive overhaul, probably taking most of a year, immediately after. There's no evidence that I've seen that immediately after the experiment ended, she went in for refit, and stayed there for awhile.

It's far more likely that you're right and they were attempting to demagnetize the hull.

Yeah.

I read the "Philadelphia_Experiment" page on the Wiki. Everything seems to be driven by one "Carlos Allende" who wrote to Jessup anonymously through the mail. I think it's just one paranoid schizophrenic who started a ghost story.

But he wasn't the only witness to report something, sounds like the classic discredit and smear campaign

I'm not saying the US have a time machine CERN has more chance of being so, but perhaps something did go horribly wrong or unexpected happened and it was covered up

Makes 1 consider where the advanced version of LHC is @

originally posted by: BlastedCaddy
Kind of bummed, can't view at work. My buck fifty on the matter is that if anyone invented time travel during WW2 it was the Germans.

Why?
We beat the Germans to Atomic weapons possibly years before they would have. In fact a new investigation said they were not even as close as American spies were led to believe.

America has produced the Most prolific Inventors and is almost always in the top 5 Countries with the most patents with nearly 4 times as many as Germany...


Do not under appreciate American ingenuity! And in this topic there is little evidence the Germans carried out this type of experiment

They did beat the world in Jet/Rocket propulsion and that may have led to Die Glocke and UFO's...

a reply to: MysterX

There are pictures of it in Greek service. It was used until about 1990 when they finally retired it.

HNS Leon D54

D54 Leon

USS Eldridge 1944

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit
Not to derail further, but if the angels at Jesus' tomb were mormons or scientologists, wouldn't Christians all be mormons or scientologists?

Not until the future. That's where they took him.

originally posted by: CrisMajor
The Philadelphia Experiment is a known hoax.
Old news; move along

Wikipedia has to go along with the official position or they would be considered an unreliable source. Just because the Government denies something doesn't mean it isn't true. That is conspiracy 101 my friend.

a reply to: Metallicus

The Wikipedia article is very comprehensive and covers a lot of information. They don't go along with any 'official' position, they cover a broad number of positions that can actually be referenced. The fact that the "time travel gone wrong" explanation has no credible evidence is not the fault of Wikipedia.

a reply to: abeverage

They did beat the world in Jet/Rocket propulsion and that may have led to Die Glocke and UFO's...

Sir Frank Whittle invented the turbojet engine, a British chap. Followed several years later by a German named Hans Von Ohain, who produced the first actually operational jet engine.

Whittle's bad luck stemmed from the traditional lack of funding from British authorities, experienced by many British inventors and innovators.

America has always had the opposite tradition, where Britain kept the purse strings tight, America threw funding at anything that looked promising.

It's not being unreasonable or churlish to say that many, although of course certainly not all, of Americas patents are the result of American generosity rather than ingenuity.

originally posted by: MysterX

Is there any evidence they did actually sell it to Greece, or did they just say they did?

IOW, are there any images of it in service after it was supposed to have been sold on?

If there are, that's fairly good evidence the Eldridge wasn't that important to the US, which it would have been if it was involved in TT.

If there aren't any, and it turns out the US lied about selling it to Greece to explain it not being around...

Two photos on this page: www.navsource.org...

Image search for "Α/Τ Λέων 54" (the Greek name for the ship, Leon) and there are others.

Here is one from 1980: 4.bp.blogspot.com...

I don't like the idea of time travel just yet. Chances are we have no idea if this could # us up badly.

a reply to: Rob48

Thanks rob.

Kinda says it all really doesn't it.