Nearly Every Mass Shooting In The Last 20 Years Shares One Thing In Common, And It Isn’t Weapons

a reply to: rickymouse

Easy, as I alluded to previously big pharma stands to make big bucks from these prescriptions. And most times the diagnosis is so ambiguous, they're prescribed willly-nilly. Going through a few weeks of work stress or end of a relationship, a person will be stressed or depressed. Thirty years ago they would talk to a friend or have a few drinks and work thru it, it would take time. Now we are a society that wants things instantaneously, so a dr. will prescribe Xanax as a quick fix, and gets points for his trip to Bermuda from the Pharma Company who wants him to write twenty-five scripts a month for the anti-depressant med.

Anti-depressants don't just help the patient stop feeling depressed or anxious, they numb the entire emotional spectrum. The main reason a criminal will back out of an illegal activity is because they get too anxious or fearful, without those emotions, and other emotions like empathy, these kids become cold and calculated killers who feel nothing, their emotions have been dampened to the point that they can easily murder people and feel nothing. They may not be emotionally depressed, but they are still mentally disturbed, there's a reason they were on anti-depressants in the first place. Throwing drugs at them and not listening to their problems is most likely what leads these kids to commit mass murder. Anti-depressants might work for a lot of people, but some mental problems simply cannot be fixed with some chemicals.

a reply to: benrl

From what I've seen, suicidal ideations were existing before these young men were placed on any sort of psychiatric drug. I believe it was Klebold who was being seeing for violent outbursts of behavior and depression. Some of his psychiatrist's court statements did make it out but I tried looking for them again to no avail. One of the remarks did include that Klebold had gone off his meds.

Suicidal ideation is actually precisely what occurred with Anthony Barbaro. Barbaro wanted to die but felt unable to simply commit suicide. According to his own letters, his acts were a suicide attempt gone wrong in that it didn't work (he survived). He hung himself in jail. Likewise, Charles Whitman was also suicidal before he initiated his attack from a bell tower. Likewise, Scott Pennington shot a teacher and a custodian, killing both and only shooting two in order to qualify for the death penalty. Why some chose to attempt suicide in such a manner, I do not know, but thank god it's fairly rare.

All three of those were not on any sort of psychiatric medicine and still were suffering from a seriously malformed suicidal ideation. Why they drag society into it, I do not know. That seems varied.

I have a hard time believing that ALL of it is the "act" of "insanity" .. insanity is objective in my opinion. I have had plenty of friends that have mental disorders. In fact my cousin (adopted) was diagnosed with ADHD when he was a child. They had him on medications, and the dude is a huge teddy bear. He came off his medication and he lives his life off medication now.

Saying that it's just ONE thing is a very subpar solution. The proper way to find a solution for this, would be more research into these pharmaceutical drugs that exist, who they are being prescribed for, and honestly, whether the drug is even used to treat the illness diagnosed.

I had one friend that used to go into the doctor for "weird" dreams at night (as if we don't have them sometimes) but moreso for how vivid and real they were, also occurance, and the doctors would try and prescribe him some drug for anti-depression and SCHIZOPHRENIA...

I'm not saying that anybody in this thread is doing this, but people have to stop basing the fact that every doctor knows what he's talking about, and he's not out to make some money from prescription drugs. I think the issue here is more that we blindly follow people (for whatever reason) and just do as they say. We don't think or have our own opinions on anything. Doctor says give your kid some Zoloft? Here ya go little buddy. Then 3 months later we wonder why things happen like they do.

Just my two cents, nothing factual here, just my own opinions, feel free to rebuttal if anybody disagrees. I enjoy a could debate

a reply to: benrl

The question .... did the mental illness cause the mass shooting ... or did the medicine? Would they have done it even without the medicine? It's kind of which came first, the chicken or the egg? What caused the event .. the mental health problem or the drug? I don't know if we can know that ...

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: benrl

The question .... did the mental illness cause the mass shooting ... or did the medicine? Would they have done it even without the medicine? It's kind of which came first, the chicken or the egg? What caused the event .. the mental health problem or the drug? I don't know if we can know that ...

And we wont know unless we ask, and research.

It could become like Asbestos before it, a big giant Whoops we shouldn't be using that.

Its happened before, and I have no doubt we will encounter mistakes like that in the future.

We won't know until we study it, our understanding of Brain chemistry is growing, and our tools to treat depression needs to grow with it.

And not be driven by the need to justify continued use and profit from existing patents.

a reply to: UnBreakable

Actually, having a few drinks is like taking an antidepressant. It is an aged product. Antidepressants often address the same metabolic pathways. Your deductable on the medication could buy you two twelve packs of beer, that is about one a day, plenty to get the same result. You could also eat beef jerkey or any aged cheese or meat. I even know some of the chemistry to help with the side effects of those. The deceit has been a long time in the making, they are trying to make us afraid of certain foods so they can sell us pills. There are always too ways to adjust these conditions also. Either by lowering the level of one thing in your body or raising the level of another. One seems to be a treatment, the other a cure....they always seem to choose the treatment option.

originally posted by: poiSoN466
I'm not saying that anybody in this thread is doing this, but people have to stop basing the fact that every doctor knows what he's talking about,

I've had way too many experiences with ALL sorts of doctors and nurses etc, from quite a few different fields, in the last 4 years or so, and let me tell you, the VAST majority don't have the slightest clue as to what they're talking about. There are some, however, who do, but they are few and far between. I could tell you horror stories of some of my doctors/nurses repeated incompetence.

originally posted by: 7918465230

originally posted by: poiSoN466
I'm not saying that anybody in this thread is doing this, but people have to stop basing the fact that every doctor knows what he's talking about,

I've had way too many experiences with ALL sorts of doctors and nurses etc, from quite a few different fields, in the last 4 years or so, and let me tell you, the VAST majority don't have the slightest clue as to what they're talking about. There are some, however, who do, but they are few and far between. I could tell you horror stories of some of my doctors/nurses repeated incompetence.

This is what I'm talking about! Yet all these parents are just blindly giving their kids these drugs without even questioning whether or not the drug is going to remedy the problem. Not even remedy, whether it will even HELP. Drives me insane that people have no thoughts or opinions for themselves. "Oh, the news anchor lady said so, it must be true" is almost the equivalent of "Oh the doctor said so, it must be true"

Many people diagnosed with "chemical imbalance of the brain" are never even physically examined and the diagnosis is made after a brief conversation with the patient. Not even a blood sample has been drawn in many cases. And the saddest part? So many lives could have been saved if only we employed the traditional methods of eating good healing foods, exercising, and meditating. Nowadays people just want to pop a capsule to fix every little problem, at the great expense of public safety, as these drugs are literally creating psychopathy in people that didn't need them in the first place. For shame, world. But as long as humans are greedy we will continue to manufacture problems so that we can profit by selling a cure.

a reply to: Mianeye

I dunno. I would think that it's availability that makes it much easier.

Person contemplates suicide... Knows where a knife is. Decides to take out as many as possible with him because of the hate building from the drugs or the withdrawls... Can't find a gun... Slits wrist.

I don't think weapons are really that easy to come by. Weapons like guns that is. Here.. Everyone has one or knows someone with multiples. That parts really easy.

originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: Mianeye

I dunno. I would think that it's availability that makes it much easier.

Person contemplates suicide... Knows where a knife is. Decides to take out as many as possible with him because of the hate building from the drugs or the withdrawls... Can't find a gun... Slits wrist.

I don't think weapons are really that easy to come by. Weapons like guns that is. Here.. Everyone has one or knows someone with multiples. That parts really easy.

So your solution is for everybody that has a suicidal thought, you stick them in a room with padded walls instead of helping them? I'm not really sure disarmament is the solution here.

a reply to: 7918465230

It is a sweeping statement to suggest the 'vast majority don't have the slightest clue'. A few being inept, unprofessional call them what you will is most likely. Experiences with medical administrators differ vastly person to person. Yours and mine are polar opposite but we can't right the vast majority off as clueless. One of the issues with antidepressants is that they are considered a 'first line defence' and more specialised cognitive behavioural therapies either aren't available or not factored into cost-effective medical practice. I do think psychologists and not psychiatrists and their chemistry sets are better suited to alleviating a lot of societies mental woes.

a reply to: benrl

And if you have the same scenario developing sans drugs, then are you sure you are looking in the correct place for causation? If you do a search on school shooters and prescription drugs, you get so many search results discussing the same premise without consideration of the fact that some were prescribed drugs and were not on them or some had never been prescribed drugs at all.

It's a lot easier to sit there and try to point to some causation for this horrific phenomena because it is atrocious and it seems to be a more recent phenomena. A hundred years ago, a shooting at a school might have been due to a crazed teacher or custodian or two boys getting in a fight over a girl. So something changed but that change predates a lot of the drugs that are being associated with these acts.

Look for their journals. Many of them were compulsive journal writers and list makers. These guys did not snap. It's was a slow decline into absolute madness. The irony is that many of them were smart and many of them that went off meds seemed to have learned to hide it even better to avoid the stigma of mental illness from fears of being locked up or prevented from executing their desires. A lot of them seemed to have manipulated and duped the heck out of people.

I tried relocating one of the journals that shows this really strongly but couldn't. Michael Hernandez was one of these journal writers. All I can find our descriptions these days but I have seen the scanned images of the original and it's insane. Filled with incomplete and frightening sentences, often contradictory. Intense dark marks scribbling things out, doodles. The kid stabbed his best friend to death in a bathroom and he wanted to kill us all. For God. These are sick minds. The kicker is that nobody knew how mental he was until after his arrest.

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originally posted by: benrl

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Before I opened up the post, I knew the answer. I had to come in to see if I was right...

Anti Depresants!

How sad

We have to be careful, as Correlation does not equal causation.

But it certainly merits further research and concern.

I have no doubt anti-depressants help people, the question is are their unintended side effects, that IF they where stressed, could perhaps be accounted for and protected against.

The problem is blanket therapy. What works for me will not always nor necessarily work for you! Yet this is how we are treated in the herd mentality way.

originally posted by: LarryLove
a reply to: 7918465230

It is a sweeping statement to suggest the 'vast majority don't have the slightest clue'. A few being inept, unprofessional call them what you will is most likely. Experiences with medical administrators differ vastly person to person. Yours and mine are polar opposite but we can't right the vast majority off as clueless.

Not even counting my experiences with psychiatrists and the like, things like my anesthesiologist putting my epidural in incorrectly after a major intestinal surgery, where all sorts of cutting and slicing was done (I could go into detail if you would like, but it's really not the point), so that after I wake up from the surgery, she had me hopped up of full body pain meds, so I didn't know there was a problem until a half hour later, after she had already gone home, that I was not receiving ANY pain medication at all. Not only did the nurses on hand not believe me, but they didn't have anyone on hand to take care of the problem, so I had to wait like 10 hours in some of the most pain I've ever experienced just because she didn't do her job correctly. That's not even counting the fact that I woke up on the operating table having what I can only describe as a seizure, and that when she finally did come in the next day, she looked at it and found nothing wrong. It was only after another hour and a half that she finally came back and found her mistake.

That is just one, of and unbelievable amount of incompetence I've witnessed over the years, including a nurse stealing all of my pain meds after a kidney stone surgery, to them running out of pain meds (they didn't actually run out, they just ran out on that floor. One floor of five in that hospital, and she was just too stupid to realize it), so there's another 8 hours of fun, etc etc. I mean, I could go on all day, and I haven't even gotten to the psychiatrists yet.

If you saw what I've experienced, I guarantee you would change your tune.

Yeah I thought I knew the answer before opening the thread as well - S.S.R.I. medications. I have done research on this particular topic myself. They can definitely be dangerous, both to start and to stop -

The most recent thing that I researched was the idea that they can affect people's ability to be emotionally attached at all - so for example, it makes it a lot easier to do a mass shooting. Not to mention they can confuse people, cause mood swings and mania.

First thing that popped to my head was "white people" and then prescription drugs to handle 'depression'.

Wait, maybe there is a connection there... depressed white people are the actual public threat! For the sake of the children, we need to remove that threat.

Derek

originally posted by: poiSoN466

originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: Mianeye

I dunno. I would think that it's availability that makes it much easier.

Person contemplates suicide... Knows where a knife is. Decides to take out as many as possible with him because of the hate building from the drugs or the withdrawls... Can't find a gun... Slits wrist.

I don't think weapons are really that easy to come by. Weapons like guns that is. Here.. Everyone has one or knows someone with multiples. That parts really easy.

So your solution is for everybody that has a suicidal thought, you stick them in a room with padded walls instead of helping them? I'm not really sure disarmament is the solution here.

Ehm... Where did you pull that from my response? I said nothing of the sort what so ever... troll much?

I'd be willing to suggest a poor (modern, western) diet - deficient in omegas, DHA and other nutrients and vitamins needed for healthy brain function - played at least some part in their behaviorial or mental health issues....leading to a dependency on pharmaceuticals pushed by schools and parents.