Lets toll the American people to death!

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WTF is going on? I mean every other day there is another example of big government encroaching into our lives and destroying our freedoms and taxing us to death. Now we will face tolls everywhere we drive or if we want to take a road trip with the family? Funny thing about tolls is once they go up they never go away. I mean don't they eventually pay off the road and costs they were purposed for?

I don't even know as American why I should even be proud of living in the USA anymore. As a middle class law abiding tax paying male we are nothing but slaves working for our overlord government so they can support the poor and prop up the rich.

Maybe our government should stop wasting money on other countries like Ukraine, Israel, Astan and start rebuilding and repairing ours!!!!

If I'm any indication of how other Americans are feeling our government better back off, people are being pushed right now, and we will shove back and when we do, the smoke clears and we won't have a country left worth taxing. In all honesty maybe then we might be able to start over, god knows American democracy is dead and we need a great big violent do over!

It's Agenda 21 at work. TPTB want to restrict freedom of travel and corral the sheep into quarantined pens, all while they roam free throughout the world and destroy it at their whim.

Hard pushback is the only answer. This kind of insane tyranny is why the second amendment exists, and why TPTB are so desperate to get our guns.

a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

Well, there goes the rest of the free in freeways…

"Its a free county, only there ain't nothing free"-- from Robocop

a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

Tolls and not taxes on some roads also pay for upkeep, repairs, and such.

Tolls as opposed to taxes are actually, in my view, a bit more fair as only those who use something have to pay for it.

Atlanta just took out the tollbooths near downtown to GA 400 once the expansion was paid for. For all its faults, Georgia does seem pretty good about things like temporary tax hikes to pay for a specific "thing" and tolls and such.

ETA: I just realized I posted in the mud pit. My bad. I don't play in the mud pit.

a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

Here's a suggestion on how to start fixing the budget shortfall. Let's do away with the imperial vacation schedule first.

Vacations taken by the first family and the Bidens have reached over $40 million with the Air Force's revelation that two golf outings by President Obama this year cost $2.9 million Link

Then we can perhaps stop giving Israel and other countries all that free money.

Voila! Budget fixed.

a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

If they removed other taxes in lieu of toll roads, I'd agree to them.

But aren't there already taxes in place for roads and such? Isn't that why we pay gasoline taxes?

Sounds like double taxation.

Tolls are state not federal and they are used to maintain the highways and to pay for new ones to be built. Some states do take out toll booths after the highway is paid for like in western Ky the state took out all the toll booths. Your complaining is being directed at the wrong government so it is the state you are living in that is your problem. So if you don't want pay the tolls then just drive on an alternate route.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

If they removed other taxes in lieu of toll roads, I'd agree to them.

But aren't there already taxes in place for roads and such? Isn't that why we pay gasoline taxes?

Sounds like double taxation.

We shouldn't have to pay ANY taxes for ANYTHING!!!! America is full of natural resources!!!! Where do you think our "wealth" comes from? In Norway they privatize only 30% of their natural
Resources . That wealth from the 70% of natural resources goes into a sovereign wealth fund used for the people!!! Every single American born on this soil should have some stake in its natural wealth. Where the hell is all the wealth going that we cut down, dig up, and otherwise extract from our planet earth?

a reply to: buster2010

Did you even read the article? The WHITE HOUSE is open to tolls on interstate highways. When you don't read the article and make a stupid comment you lose all credibility.

Just to drive you have to pay many 'tolls.' Car insurance, License and registration fees, gas taxes. A toll road is just one more. Keeping a highway or major bridge in excellent condition is an expensive task, tolls are one way to help pay for it.

Pay for upkeep on roads someone said..

Hitler when he made the autobahn made it that it would be contract work.. The work would be guaranteed for 10 yrs.. Anything wrong with the road in that 10 yrs the contractor fixes the road at his expense..

Wait what?

a reply to: jrod

This is wrong.. PA has the worst bridges in the country and roads.. Ask any trucker. Paid roads or not.

a reply to: ThichHeaded

In a perfect world things like taxes and tolls would be used to keep the roads in good conditions, we all know it does not work that way.

I know the toll roads in Florida are almost worth the extra dollars, they are well kept. Haven't ever been to Jersey, but I do wonder how well their tolls work.

The cost of living for normal people keeps on going up.

originally posted by: jrod
Haven't ever been to Jersey, but I do wonder how well their tolls work.

www.tripatini.com...

Apparently PA moved lower in the list.. interesting that......

Eighth-worst roads (tie): New Jersey

Poor-condition mileage rank (1=worst): 2 out of 50
Deficient bridges rank (1= worst): 16 out of 50
Fatalities rank (1=most): 47 out of 50
Congestion rank (1= worst): 6 out of 50
Despite the tolls New Jersey collects on its stretch of Interstate 95, also known as the New Jersey Turnpike, the state is fighting a losing battle to maintain its heavily traveled arteries.

Its interstates take a beating all year from huge volumes of traffic, with the only upside being a low level of road fatalities that may be explained in part by lower speeds to which drivers are limited.

a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

Now this is a Gem of a thread. This has been on my radar for years, right behind fracking. I am in Austin Texas at the moment where the toll roads are everywhere. Getting around down here is becoming more difficult by the year. There are roughly 24 toll roads down here. I am heading home to Missouri where there are none at all.

Foreign Company Now Owns Six Major US Tolls Roads

www.thetruckersreport.com...

In a short-sighted attempt to fill holes in their budgets, some states have been selling the control over their toll roads to private foreign investors. The most famous case is the Indiana Toll road 75-year lease that started back in 2006. During the first five years of control, the company in charge more than doubled the toll for five-axel trucks from $14 to $32. That same company has been buying up control of U.S. toll roads since 1999 and now controls 6 major U.S. roadways.

I always thought that the infrastructure of the United States belonged to us.

originally posted by: rockledr
a reply to: buster2010

Did you even read the article? The WHITE HOUSE is open to tolls on interstate highways. When you don't read the article and make a stupid comment you lose all credibility.

Did you read the article? Right now there are no tolls by the Feds the op was talking like there already are tolls on those roads. I fully support the toll system instead of the tax system that way the people who don't use the highway don't have to pay for it.

a reply to: buster2010

I drive all over the US. My favorite route is from Texas to Missouri. The roads in TX and OK are not taken care of and both states have many toll roads. I hit the Missouri side of 44 and all is smooth, pothole free, clean with divider lines that shine under the moon light. Missouri has not one toll road. Wonder how they do it?

They wouldn't have to add tolls to major highways and freeways if they actually spent the money they take in by fixing infrastructure like it's suppose to be used for. That was one of Obama's many other promises I think.. to improve infrastructure? Add it to the list of lies a mile long.

a reply to: JonButtonIII

Well that is one way to look at it. When there are TSA checkpoints along the interstate I may have to consider your opinion. Right now your opinion is a little borderline DT.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: rockledr
a reply to: buster2010

Did you even read the article? The WHITE HOUSE is open to tolls on interstate highways. When you don't read the article and make a stupid comment you lose all credibility.

Did you read the article? Right now there are no tolls by the Feds the op was talking like there already are tolls on those roads. I fully support the toll system instead of the tax system that way the people who don't use the highway don't have to pay for it.

Ah yes, the resident status quo mouthpiece is here now. You and I both know they won't remove taxes and swap them with tolls.. it's a double dipping clusterf* and how you can sit here and say "I'm for tolls and anything my masters tell me is good for me" is beyond me.

Not only will this be another bottomless money pit, I can assure you it won't go to infrastructure repairs and upgrades. It will just be another burden added to hardworking people who use these roads daily to get where they have to. Not only that, but it'll add more fees on businesses that depend on those roadways, therefore adding costs of service. It's not like the taxes they collect now are spent on infrastructure that actually need it.. it's all funding failed projects such as the green industry, and bailing out failing auto industries.

This past weekend I drove in Illinois, where there are quite a few tolls. The highways were in perfect condition.

I also drove in Indiana, where there are no toll roads. Signs were posted on I-65 directing drivers to keep their hands on the wheel because some rough road existed for the next 90 miles. They weren't kidding! There were cars with flat tires along the route, and I became dead tired just from focusing on the highway immediately ahead to dodge the next pothole. With the wife and kids, it was a scary ride. The sad thing is that the state of Indiana can't be sued if someone dies due to their horrible highways.