Will Science Ever Advance Enough to Disprove Religion?

Don't really need a long OP here to set the premiss.


Will science ever reach the point where they can flat out disprove religion?


IMHO they already have. Not really the concept of god, but the anchient texts. But will they ever advance to the point we know enough to know there's no place for him in the standard model?

Question for the OP: Why does science need to disprove religion?

Science and archeology have already disproven parts of religious beliefs. However, some religious beliefs are true and science isn't capable of seeing them ... yet. The two really go hand in hand .... but people don't realize it.

"science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

It must be a very humble opinion indeed.

As you arrive at stances even trained scientist hesitate to.

Science cares not about "disproving religion".

It would not matter if they did. The faith that the religious have requires no proof, just faith. Why does other people's faith bother you so much?


And we all know, that science is a liar sometimes.

a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Because it's science's job to find the truth of the natural world. If it was created by a god then that would be part of that truth. Plus laws and decisions are made only over biblical teachings. So if it's all fake then obviously we didn't make the best, most informed of the possible decisions.


Religious believers have been trying to find some proof of religion for thousands of years. While science has been trying to disprove it for the last 100 years.

a reply to: ArtemisE

Religion disproves itself... at least the organized kind does...

I believe science will eventually advance to the point where it proves the existence of God...

Not the opposite

a reply to: brandiwine14

I can't believe I missed that episode.

Love it lol!

a reply to: ArtemisE

Like Flyers Fan said, already is been prof of archeologist and science have put a question mark to many bible events, But we need to understand what religion is all about it before we can ask if science can disproved in totality.

Religion is a set of believes that lives within the minds of those that practice it, when something is as strong as the mind of a believer no science can disprove that because is in the mind

Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge"[1]) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.[2][3] In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to a body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied. A practitioner of science is known as a scientist.

en.wikipedia.org...

Religion is a fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a group of people. These set of beliefs concern the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, and involve devotional and ritual observances. They also often contain a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

www.allaboutreligion.org...

a reply to: ArtemisE

No.

Science works off the idea of naturalism, that the natural world is all that exists. Anything potentially unexplained or unknown, often labeled supernatural, would likely just be brought under the umbrella of natural if evidence was discovered of this. Lightning bolts were once thought to be thrown by Zeus, they didn't remain supernatural when we discovered what really caused them even though they are still beautiful and even mysterious in some respects.

I would argue that, for most well-defined versions of God philosophy and logic has already disproved them, since so many of them are un-falsifiable as far as experimentation is concerned.

What I foresee for religion is a slow painless death. Religion will become like Comic-Con, people will show up to the conventions, treasure the canon, argue against nerds from other factions but deep down know that its all fiction.

a reply to: ArtemisE

Religion and God are not the same thing..not even close. , religion does nothing but cause problems, it disproves itself. Spiritual practice and a relationship with God cannot be disproved from my experience.

Crackpot religious beliefs are already disproved. The Earth is not 6,000 years old. End of story. But you're looking at the issue simplistically, as most anti-religious folks do. They see a superficial religious belief, declare it bogus, and promptly throw the baby out with the bathwater.

But when it comes to the fundamentals, such as life after death, are you sure you;re right? Really? Just because it's beyond your ability to understand, does that make the idea false? How about reincarnation? When you look at so-called scientific responses to these sorts of issues what you see is extraordinary attempts to explain away the evidence rendering people into pretzels as they make up "reasons" why such evidence exists.

In answer to your question, though, science, IMO, will eventually prove life after death and reincarnation are part of reality. The scientific method, properly applied without presupposition and bias, will inevitably figure out and incorporate these issues as part of the structure of reality. That won't prove Christianity, which isn't the point anyway, but it will put a much different spin on the current debate. It also won't disprove Newton or Einstein; it will incorporate these issues just as quantum mechanics incorporates atoms and molecules. One does not diminish the other; they will fit as puzzles into each other in ways that will leave future scientists wondering how we contemporaries managed to avoid the issues for so long.

Science does not change the beliefs of people that are religious.
Science does not prove climate change to the same group of people.

Religion clouds reality, truth and anything else that does not fit into their world is bunk. Just ask them.

a reply to: ArtemisE

And equally the question could be.

Will Science Ever Advance Enough to Discover God?

And that's the real question.

However as to your OP. Science has discovered places that were in the bible.
Google around and see what you find.

a reply to: ArtemisE

Hey Artemis,

But will they ever advance to the point we know enough to know there's no place for him in the standard model?

Just thinking out loud here and speculating. In order to prove there was no God, wouldn't a scientist have to be able to measure and observe the supernatural? And if they could measure it and observe it wouldn't it prove that at least the supernatural, if not God himself, exists?

I think science will improve to the point where we can actually prove
the unknown energy that drives life. Some energy
pervasive throughout the universe that brings matter together
and is the driving force of willful animation

Your "disprove religion" is a blanket generalization. What's your agenda?
Are you talking about Noah's ark? 72 Virgins? Sacred Cows? ???

What I want science to explain is why I am aware, where my awareness
derives, and what purpose it fulfills.

Improving the idea of God is impossible. Science has proven no such thing, because it cannot. Science places a premium on measurement, and too many have the belief that what cannot be measured cannot exist, therefore you have these types of people who do not entertain the idea of God. God could be proven to exist, but never proven to not exist, because God could come down tomorrow and announce Himself...But if he never announces Himself, that doesn't mean He is not real.

No. The reason I say that is religions answer to anything it can't understand is "god works in mysterious ways". It's an age old cop-out that's been used since the dawn of mankind to make sense of things we don't know/can't explain...and I doubt humanity will ever reach a point where we know 100% of everything about everything (we'll either go extinct or wipe ourselves out first).

For example:

"The earth was created by dust forming together over a long period of time"
"So where did our universe come from then?"
"We're still working that one out"
"Fools! You'll never work it out because God created the universe!"

"Scientists discover definitive, irrefutable proof that the big bang is how the universe came into existence and can create a computer simulation proving as such"
"So what came before the big bang?"
"We don't know yet"
"Ah ha! God created the big bang!".

"Scientists discover what came before the big bang"
"So what came before that?"
"We don't know yet"
"You don't know because god created whatever came before the big bang! See? God created all the things you can't explain. That's why you can't explain them!"

etc...

even when we've got irrefutable proof of everything tracing all the way back to the void that existed before matter, religion will still claim that the void was created by god. It's turtles all the way down

a reply to: Akragon

All those who think science will prove there's a god are 100% sticking to the question. The question goes both ways.