Fukushima disaster: Tokyo hides truth as children die, become ill from radiation - ex-mayor

a reply to: HardCorps
I figured that people would eventually die from this disaster, but this source doesn't have data to support the claim, which is just this (from the OP source):

This is killing children. They die of heart conditions, asthma, leukemia, thyroiditis…

First, we must ask, were any children dying from these conditions before the accident? If so at what rate?

Next we must compare the death rates after the accident to death rates before the accident.

The low levels of radiation children are exposed to in Fukushima probably can eventually kill some small percentage of them, but I expected it would take longer than 3 years in most cases, and I don't see any reliable evidence in the source to indicate otherwise. Now if the children are digging around in radioactive dirt, they may be getting more exposure than what the surface measurements would indicate, which is possible. One of the government officials resigned because Japan wanted to allow schoolchildren to be exposed to more radiation than he felt was safe so I know this was an issue, but even the higher levels that he objected to still weren't high enough to cause many deaths in the first three years of such low level exposure.

People who take what this man says at face value need to put on their critical thinking hats and ask for supporting data. While I believe that children are dying after the accident, I'm pretty sure they were dying before the accident also. This source provides no statistics at all on comparative death rates.

You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of reality. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: HardCorps

He answer's yes making a vague comment how those workers safety is glossed over as inconsequential. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

On that note I would like to provide some insight for what it is worth.

I have said it once, and I will keep saying it again and again:

Only 2 kinds of news comes out of Fukushima......... bad news and worse news.

originally posted by: shaneslaughta
Whats even worse it Tepco and the Japan government are telling people the contamination is receding and starting to push people from the tent cities back into their homes.

Apparently the cost of the displaced refugees must be too much a burden for the government to handle.
That or they are undertaking some kind of scientific test on the effects of radiation on people over the long term.

Even the Russian government knows that Chernobyl is still too HOT, and that was only one reactor.A shart by comparison to the load that Tepco dropped on the Japanese people.

They knew all too well that it was a seismically active zone and at sea level no less.


If any country knows the effects of radiation on the people, it would be Japan.
This story has urked me from the beginning. I truly feel for the people of japan. I hope they smarten up and ignore the governments orders to return home.

Edit: I almost posted this yesterday but i refrained from doing so as a lot of people see RT as a propaganda outlet.

originally posted by: Danbones
in many places it illegal to scare the peeps..especially with the truth about a danger
however on the other hand
corporate/fascist problem reaction solution is not only allowed
its encouraged

eta
doesn't bode well for the tepco and GE ops in the US though does it

There are 31 General Electric-built Mk I and Mk II boiling water reactor units across the US – the same kinds that failed in Fukushima.

burnanenergyjournal.com...

Sabotage at Fukushima Daiichi? Worker: “Someone did it on purpose… I’m convinced, it was intentional” after basements flooded with 200 tons of highly radioactive water — NHK: “Error or deliberate act”? — Official: Security cameras needed

enenews.com... s-of-highly-radioactive-water-nhk-error-or-delibera

TO be fair, none of those in the U.S. are sitting on a fault line AND in a tsunami zone, making the comparison worthless. It's a good design, for the most part. This one was just built where it should not have been built and then suffered a worst case scenario hit.

a reply to: the owlbear

The military testing at Edgewood Arsenal stopped in 1975 I believe and it was the 60's when they conducted radiation tests. We have learned from that and it's no longer being done by the U.S.

This is way different. Even the jerk Putin wouldn't put people back in Chernobyl. Or maybe he would IDK. These Japanese have got to do something and do it soon. Were getting radiation on our beaches in Oregon, Washington and our brothers in Canada to the North. Nobody wants to talk about it except the faithful here on ATS and a occasional news blurb.

originally posted by: shaneslaughta
a reply to: the owlbear

Right! They were even storing other nuclear facilities spent fuel there as well.

I believe you are mistaken, they were NOT storing "other facilities spent fuel" on the fourth floors of the reactor buildings.

a reply to: HardCorps

Thank you for bringing us this depressing but necessary information. I can't understand why the faithful here on ATS seem to be one of the only sites where this issue is still brought up and discussed. MSM ignore it while they only mention it in passing at the most when something serious comes up. The radiation is coming to our shores here in Oregon and Washington and a lot is starting to reach our brothers to the North Canada. A star for you for keeping this issue alive. Thank you for informing us although it seems there is little we can do besides complaining about it and monitoring the rare occasions when somebody reports on it. What we need is a voice from one of the elites on this site. Somebody with some brains that would want to start a letter writing campaign that we can all get behind and demand action is taken by the U.S. and our friends to the North to find a solution to this ongoing disaster. Sending in the homeless idea the Japanese are doing is making me sick just thinking about it.

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: Danbones
in many places it illegal to scare the peeps..especially with the truth about a danger
however on the other hand
corporate/fascist problem reaction solution is not only allowed
its encouraged

eta
doesn't bode well for the tepco and GE ops in the US though does it

There are 31 General Electric-built Mk I and Mk II boiling water reactor units across the US – the same kinds that failed in Fukushima.

burnanenergyjournal.com...

Sabotage at Fukushima Daiichi? Worker: “Someone did it on purpose… I’m convinced, it was intentional” after basements flooded with 200 tons of highly radioactive water — NHK: “Error or deliberate act”? — Official: Security cameras needed

enenews.com... s-of-highly-radioactive-water-nhk-error-or-delibera

TO be fair, none of those in the U.S. are sitting on a fault line AND in a tsunami zone, making the comparison worthless. It's a good design, for the most part. This one was just built where it should not have been built and then suffered a worst case scenario hit.

to be fair...
got links?

The NRC database of nuclear power plants shows that 23 of the 104 nuclear plants in the U.S. are GE boiling-water reactors with GE's Mark I systems for containing radioactivity, the same containment system used by the reactors in trouble at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant. The U.S. reactors are in Alabama, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Vermont.

In addition, 12 reactors in the U.S. have the later Mark II or Mark III containment system from GE. These 12 are in Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Washington state. See the full list below.

investigations.nbcnews.com...


nope, no fault lines or water courses or power outages or stuxnet round here

a reply to: Arbitrageur

There is some supporting Data like this
Readings of integrated Dose at Monitoring Post out of 20 Km Zone of Fukushima Dai-ichi NPP (Monitoring Date: Apr 23, 2014)

Overview map

And lastly
Radiation dose survey map

Oh they are watching recording --- what their not doing is warning or responding in any meaningful way

a reply to: jaffo

Here in the US there is indeed one reactor built on an active fault.
the good news--- A Community Engagement Panel (CEP) formed to advise on decommissioning the San Onofre nuclear plant.

The 40 year old plant was shutdown back in 2012 for rehab but due to all kinds of recurring little problems they never got it back up and running.



This one of three reactors along the west coast, was by far the one most at risk... the other ones are still in operation. still capable of killing millions, their only slightly in a safer neighborhood

originally posted by: [post=17837929]jaffo

TO be fair, none of those in the U.S. are sitting on a fault line AND in a tsunami zone, making the comparison worthless. It's a good design, for the most part. This one was just built where it should not have been built and then suffered a worst case scenario hit.

I guess you missed California? Nope, no fault lines there..........~$heopleNation

originally posted by: Olivine
The Yakuza crime syndicate is operating as 'job brokers', rounding up homeless to work at Fukushima.
www.forbes.com...
Atomic mafia

While the Soviets did much the same by using army personel and did conscript miners to do the dangerous tunnelling under the reactor to, and I use the word very loosely, seal that vector of contamination; they did do much better in actually containing the situation and being honest and direct about their inadequacies in the manner.

The Japanese can do neither. Either contain, however temporay, the contamination nor be honest about any aspect of their incommpetence.

I find it rather amusing that a 'Communist' state is much more effective and open in this case then a, so called democratic 'Capitalist' one.

Honestly, there is no one trained or capable of cleaning up these 'mistakes' and so these plants should not exist.

And the reference to the Yakusa rounding up the homeless (Japan will not talk about their homeless - shameful ya know) and paying them a pittage while they collect the wages sounds like good old outsourcing to me whether it be corporate or government money (wasn't made clear). And we all know how wonderful outsourcing is for everyone.''

In truth, again, nobody knows what to do, the Soviets have some experience but their solutions (and I believe the only solutions possible) where expensive in rubes and lives. Let's be honest there is no 'clean and technological' answer to nuclear accidents or any kind.

Thanks for the sources.

Instead of hyperbole, why don't you try to correlate information on the infant mortality rate in the Tōhoku region?
Try as you think they might, Tepco (or whoever is the baddy this week) cannot skew the figures.

a reply to: FyreByrd

The Soviets had the advantage of a unified on command work force which allowed them to bring in skilled workers as needed. Japan does not have that advantage. Instead, due to the massive greed within the entire Japanese nuclear industry, they allow the yakuza to exploit desperate unskilled workers which only creates more problems.

It's a losing battle. Japan needs outside help, but the risk are too dangerous for the knowledgeable man. So Japanese knows what is best for this situation. Japanese low lifes are expendable. Until they no longer can be recruited, the world needs to accept it and then bring in their own undersirables to Japan. Just the way it will end up.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: HardCorps
I figured that people would eventually die from this disaster, but this source doesn't have data to support the claim, which is just this (from the OP source):

This is killing children. They die of heart conditions, asthma, leukemia, thyroiditis…

First, we must ask, were any children dying from these conditions before the accident? If so at what rate?

Next we must compare the death rates after the accident to death rates before the accident.

The low levels of radiation children are exposed to in Fukushima probably can eventually kill some small percentage of them, but I expected it would take longer than 3 years in most cases, and I don't see any reliable evidence in the source to indicate otherwise. Now if the children are digging around in radioactive dirt, they may be getting more exposure than what the surface measurements would indicate, which is possible. One of the government officials resigned because Japan wanted to allow schoolchildren to be exposed to more radiation than he felt was safe so I know this was an issue, but even the higher levels that he objected to still weren't high enough to cause many deaths in the first three years of such low level exposure.

People who take what this man says at face value need to put on their critical thinking hats and ask for supporting data. While I believe that children are dying after the accident, I'm pretty sure they were dying before the accident also. This source provides no statistics at all on comparative death rates.

This 'man' was the mayor with first hand information. I'm all for critical information, but there is none coming out of Japan because it's all lies and cover-ups. In my opinion he has credibility and I see no reason why he would be making things up or exaggerating. He's the kind of politician we should all be so lucky to have. I'll believe him over Tepco or the Government ANY day.

originally posted by: musicismagic
It's a losing battle. Japan needs outside help, but the risk are too dangerous for the knowledgeable man. So Japanese knows what is best for this situation. Japanese low lifes are expendable. Until they no longer can be recruited, the world needs to accept it and then bring in their own undersirables to Japan. Just the way it will end up.

Are you being sarcastic? Japanese knows what's best for the situation? Low lifes (homeless from the disaster and other problems) are expendable and we need to accept it and send our own homeless/undesirables there?!?

The Japanese aren't making any decisions, they don't even know the truth of what happened. The Government and Tepco are calling all the shots and lying - either overtly or by omission.

a reply to: HardCorps
I had no idea.....im shocked.