Corporate Interests Behind Ukraine Putsch

a reply to: teapot

The US Government and the EU are as guilty as sin and more than up to their corrupt necks in conspiracy regarding Ukraine...their actions speak for themselves...discernment. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Pay no attention to the Russian flags flying above Ukrainian cities, or the armed Russian troops harassing Romany, Tatars and Jews. This is all about the United States. What a load of crock. The only country that has benefited from the situation in Ukraine so far has been Russia. Attempts to pin it on Europe or the United States are pathetic, and without evidence or reason. The arguments are made by paid liars and believed by naïve fools. Pretty sure Escobar is a paid liar....

originally posted by: DJW001
What is obvious is that Russia has used a military presence and civilian violence to seize a part of Ukraine and incorporate it into Russia, and seems intent on continuing to do so. No-one has yet to prove any allegations about US or European involvement.

So you did IGNORE all the clear evidence pointing to euromaidan and svoboda as being western backed, but you try and look smart and all.

Keep it up with the propaganda, but tell your handlers that you are being tagged more often nowadays. Cant have disinfo without credibility...

a reply to: Yusomad
WHAT evidence? A tape recording from the FSB of two diplomats speculating about a rumor one of them heard? That's evidence? Present something tangible please.

Also, why do you keep ignoring the armed Russian troops in Eastern Ukraine, the fascist thugs threatening pro-Kiyev citizens, the kidnapping of city officials and journalists and the coups all over Eastern Ukraine where the duly elected government is replaced by pro-Russian fascist thugs who appoint themselves the new government. Talk about fascist coups! Why do you ignore Russia's clearly visible fist in favor of America and Europe's "invisible hand?"

a reply to: DJW001

Hello, you stated this.

blithely states that it is a US backed fascist coup without providing any evidence whatsoever - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you are indeed interested in evidence please refer to the following.

Victoria Nuland phoning with Geoffrey Pyatt

Kinda strange for a country to be hand picking a foreign government if they didnt back the coup. Usualy the people who stage the coup decide its own government, thats how it works. Unless of course there is a yet unknown third party have contracted the U.S to manage it for them, much like in the same way Goldman Sachs may agree to administer your financial sectors. But I have to yet to see evidence of that. So you know, I have only seen evidence of U.S involvement.

So let me get this straight the Jews are now being persecuted by anti-usa/eu protesters, Russian Today was not the first to mention jews were being threatened and now the right-wing are coming to protect the jews in the east of the Ukraine.

right, smile and back away slowly

The EU was caught with it's pants down twice now with leaked recordings and Ron Paul lies when he spoke about $4bn of US tax payers money being spent in the Ukraine.

I'm stall waiting to see this Russian invasion of the Ukraine like the other thread talks about and now has 403 pages because I like watching tanks crashing through cars, rockets being fired and jets being blown out the sky's, I keep looking but so far all I have seen is the odd fire or two and Ukraine forces backing up the right-wing so they can go and beat some protectors who dare to ask for a vote.

France is now trying to block the may vote, such a lame excuse that I cannot even remember what it was.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: teapot

The US Government and the EU are as guilty as sin and more than up to their corrupt necks in conspiracy regarding Ukraine...their actions speak for themselves...discernment. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Pay no attention to the Russian flags flying above Ukrainian cities, or the armed Russian troops harassing Romany, Tatars and Jews. This is all about the United States. What a load of crock. The only country that has benefited from the situation in Ukraine so far has been Russia. Attempts to pin it on Europe or the United States are pathetic, and without evidence or reason. The arguments are made by paid liars and believed by naïve fools. Pretty sure Escobar is a paid liar....

The passage you quoted at the top of your reply to me was not written by me. Why would you do that?

Given as you the only poster in this tread to rely on ad hom, please provide proof that Escobar is a paid liar.

If the so called Ukrainian crisis has only been of benefit to Russia, please explain how sanctions are working.

More anti-American propaganda...or is it pro-Russian? Just look what Puttie-poo said today:

Today Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov threw down the gauntlet. After
making a list of accusations against the United States Mr. Lavrov stated
quite plainly that Russia would send its army into Ukraine if Ukraine's army
conducted operations in East Ukraine against its operators and the Russian
fifth column. Mr. Lavrov referred to the current Russian operations in East
Ukraine as Russia's "vital interests".


After Putin proclaimed Russia to be a national socialist state obligated to
protect ethnic Russians both inside and outside Russia, a successful defense
by Ukraine against the current Russia attacks would put the reputation of
Putin and the Russian state in jeopardy and reopen the prospects for further
breakup of the Former Soviet Union.

The "deal" negotiated in Geneva is now displayed for what it really is, a
document to freeze Ukrainian moves to counter the Russians, while
discrediting the current Ukrainian government and giving the Russian
operations in Ukraine more of a free hand.

But today the gauntlet has been thrown, the red line drawn by Russia, accept
that Russia will win by LIC or if Russian operations are opposed, then
Russia will move to HIC.

The economic consequences to include potential food distribution problems
pose additional challenges for Kiev if the slow anaconda embrace of the
Russian LIC operations are allowed to continue.

As can be seen by the events in Crimea, Russian annexation is not an
immediate economic boon.

a reply to: teapot

No way the EUR is monopoly money compared to the USD!

EUR is going to get scrapped, it's been used now the best way to use the rest of it is to collapse and end it.

EUR was a currency that was made to be used. It's only been around since the 90's and it's already proven inconsistent against the USD and their people had to pay for it on multiple occasions.

a reply to: daveinats

IF Russia has already established itself in Ukraine to the point of Kiev having to go on the offensive in order to secure their "sovereignty" then they've already proven themselves inept.

a reply to: DJW001

Looks like a bunch of win-win's and win-lose's between Russia and the west, a lot of win-lose's and lose-lose's for Ukraine.

a reply to: teapot

Given as you the only poster in this tread to rely on ad hom, please provide proof that Escobar is a paid liar.

I am not relying on ad hom. On the other hand, everyone else on this thread is. The article cited in the OP is pure ad hom. It simply calls everyone in Ukraine who is not pro-Russian fascist. It makes no attempt to prove that there was European or American intervention in Ukraine, it simply tarred all resistance to Putin's coup with name calling. Everyone on this thread who swallows, or at least pretends to believe, this facile propaganda has to resort to ad hominem attacks because they cannot find any evidence either. For example:

Keep it up with the propaganda, but tell your handlers that you are being tagged more often nowadays. Cant have disinfo without credibility...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Presumably, the number of stars on that post tally the number of FSB agents participating on this thread.

If the so called Ukrainian crisis has only been of benefit to Russia, please explain how sanctions are working.

Who said sanctions are working? Putin is laboring under the illusion that he is invincible. He sees the Russian flag flying over Ukraine, so he believes he has won. It's that simple.

a reply to: VirusGuard

So let me get this straight the Jews are now being persecuted by anti-usa/eu protesters, Russian Today was not the first to mention jews were being threatened and now the right-wing are coming to protect the jews in the east of the Ukraine.

So let me get this straight: Tatars are not being threatened by pro-Russian skinhead thugs and now the undercover unmarked Russian soldiers are in Eastern Ukraine to protect not Russians, but Jews?

Published on Feb 18, 2014



Geoffrey R. Pyatt, US Ambassador in Ukraine is helping to keep the streets in order by directing the traffic in the intersection of Artema and Students Streets in Kyiv.

"US Ambassador in Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt directs traffic in Kyiv"

just doing his duty,,i guess.

expensive traffic cop.

Russian has huge corporate interest in Ukraine also tho

What's the OPs point?

I'm wondering why people seem to think the EU and the US isn't aloud to do business In Ukraine and Russia is?

Is Ukraine only aloud to do business with Russia under some agreement or something, what have I missed?

The EU and US have corporate interests just about everywhere on the globe

Agreed. i'm an American but i've got lots of Ukrainian friends, some in Crimea, and others in the West and Central parts. i was in Crimea this past October for vacation (was there in 2012 as well, it was becoming a habit of mine to go back every year). i loved the country, and loved being in Crimea.

i don't think most Americans have a clue about how bad living conditions were for the lower percentile of Ukrainians. We are talking about living conditions out in the country that are about what things were back in the 1920s and 1930s here in the USA, or perhaps even earlier. The government was filled with corruption and cronyism. It just came down to the fact enough of the common people just didn't have that much to lose and just lost hope in the system. The failure to sign the European Union association agreement was just the last straw. Hope was gone. People just want to be able to have a future, for their children at the least, and hopefully for themselves... to live a somewhat normal life... that kind of becomes very hard when you have to live on $220 a month, and prices are starting to go through the roof due to inflation.

Ukraine's economy has the GDP of a middling US state. Its basically an economic backwater. To think that the US cared all that much (ie more than any other economic basket case) is ridiculous.

Getting back to Crimea, i have friends there (living in Sevastopol connected with the black sea fleet)... ethnic Russians. Of course they felt stranded in a foreign country after the soviet union fell apart, so belong to mother Russia again is rather emotional. They totally buy the propaganda that is being put out by Russia (ie nazi fascist, banderites up north wanting to come down to Crimea to butcher them)... they also feel that Russia is going to come in with a boatload of money and turn the place into some sort of paradise. I kept trying to explain to them that this would not be so... it is impossible to convince them otherwise. Also tried to explain that the people up north are not all nazis... but its like talking to zombies. Many of them are very supportive of the Berkut.

My Ukrainian friends from West/Central Ukraine are just thoroughly disgusted by Russia's un-neighborly behavior. All of them are Slavic blood, but trying to explain that to them... well they insist they are Ukrainian and not Russian in any way shape or form. So Putin has totally alienated them.

My feeling is that the Crimeans that voted for this mess, essentially voted themselves out of a place to live. Tourism is the main industry there, and that is going out the window. As a data point, i myself spent several thousand dollars there every year (last year in Yalta), and that won't happen any longer so long as the Russians are in control. Its a pity. A lot of rental property owners there will have mortgage payments but no renters. Hotels, resorts, anything connected to tourist dollars - a large portion of that will go bankrupt over time. With no jobs, lots of Crimeans will have to leave Crimea to Russia to find work. Russia's economy is stagnant (and probably going into a dive), and i doubt Putin will keep the promises he's made to that cut off peninsula... appeals to nationalistic sentiment only go so far... when bills come due, you and your family are more important that some far off needy place.

i do know that when i was there... there was no restriction on speaking Russian - that is practically all i heard around me. No persecution or any of the things Putin used as justifications for his land grab.

i have no idea what the motivation of the US government is. All i know is that what Russia did in Crimea sets an incredibly bad precedent not only because they engaged in outright theft, but because of the follow on effects. Now, many countries that border more powerful neighbors will need to divert resources that could have been used for productive purposes towards weaponry, etc. i would not be surprised if China might seize some land in the Russian far east one day. More countries will want to develop nukes, and those that have them will not give them up. There is very little end to the bad things that can come of this.

Just my $.02 worth.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

I don't want to detract from this thread, but I can't help but think about Snowden and what other possible info he may have given to Russia. Maybe this is why Russia is being so bold? It knows things/has leverage on the US and EU? They know some of the key players and dirty deals and has a handle on their MOs?

All speculation, of course, but something to consider.

a reply to: JustXeno

I can not say whether this is true or not, could be both. If it was though, I would say the situation is about corporate interests taking advantage of people wanting out of Russian hemisphere.

I have no doubts though majority of Ukrainian citizens were tired of the corruption and preferred a direction towards Europe rather than staying with Russia. If corporate interests were involved, they just took advantage of the people´s interest coinciding with theirs.