Dzhokhar footage planting bomb?

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

I have photographs there of one or both trying to commit capital murder of police officers, detonating a device identical to what they murdered three people with at the Marathon and then one of them being in such a hurrt to escape..well.. oops.. I guess he'll explain the bad driving in the afterlife. He sure wasn't HIS brother's keeper.

Do you feel you could ID anyone in those photos? How do you think this traumatized kid got away after being in the vehicle and running over his brother? He didn't drive it seems and there were certainly a large number of officers in the photos? Was he invisible or just way fast getting out of the vehicle and running on foot, to be lost completely?

Sometimes things are not what they seem.

He managed to crawl into a boat (without a ladder) which the owner found him after discovering dabs of blood on the side of his dry-docked boats cover as it sat back there in the dark.
Now he has changed his story and said he saw the cover was loose and just wanted to fix it in the middle of the night. It wasn't raining but according to him he saw it out the back window of his house and needed to fix it.

The boy lay in there and without light wrote a nice straight confession with the pen he found in the boat. Normally writing in the dark which i often do when I record a dream the sentences are all woggly and sideways but not his confession.

Look where the boat sat in the dark...he looked out the back window and saw what looked like loose cover on the boat. He went and got a ladder to look inside never once thinking about the runaway bomber according to him. Does this make sense of any kind?

www.bostonglobe.com...

These two knew they were set up by the feds, they knew they were screwed whether they ran or not. They never set off any bombs at the marathon. I would have tried to get out of dodge also if i knew i was being framed by the US gov. They were running scared, not running guilty. Poor guys never had a chance.

a reply to: Rocker2013

According the the evidence! Both the backpacks blown up were the same black ones the Mercs had with the same details. Neither was the white and black one carried by the younger brother. There's also photos of the two brothers fleeing post explosion with their packs still on! All easily found online by anyone seeking them...

originally posted by: anonymous1legion
why the conflicting reports though?

The incident was like a surprise war time situation in a civilian zone.
There is going to be 'the fog of war' kind of thing.
People (almost all civilians with no training) are going to get things wrong or get confused.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Alright Wrabbit, if you can be that guy under a broken justice system that's
good. As for me I'm the complete opposite of you. I couldn't find anyone
guilty in this world where technology is now capable of producing any
evidence corruption happens to need at any time. I don't expect it to
mean anything to you, how many innocent people corrupt cops, judges,
lawyers, politicians, prove they are ready to put away everyday. Or how
technology has got to the point that it totally enables them to do so with
ease. Any evidence needed is no longer a problem.

Far as I'm concerned, every ones innocent if I'm on the jury, unless I actually
witnessed the defendant do the crime. Because I can't know the
accused isn't being railroaded by someone along the line. May not
mean much to you ever. Until the day you're the one in the train wreck.
With CGI evidence and your blood samples strewn all over a murder scene.
The cops make'n an easy mark of you. And the lying ass media that bows to
the latest B.S. come'n down the pike to squawk at out the propaganda
box all day long, over and over and over to keep it all right there fresh
in your mind and think'n about it all G-D day.
But if I'm on the jury you can count on me.
Cause I know broke when I see it.

Oh! And what in hells bathroom have selfies got to do with anything
I asked you? Guess I was wrong to credit you with knowing I was
only making a point. Not conjuring useless evidence.

anonymous1legion
....my worry is that it does look like genuine footage and if it isnt then that puts doubts in my mind for every piece of footage from any tragedy in the past 15 years

Let's examine the credibility of the people producing the 'evidence'. Ok?

First, we have a government that started carrying out state terrorism over 60 years ago at the very least. We have significant evidence that elements of fedgov have been involved in every major act of domestic terror since that time -- either as perps or parties to coverup:

1) Murder of JFK
2) Gulf of Tonkin false flag
3) 1993 WTC bombing
4) 1995 Oklahoma bombing
5) a prisoner reportedly beaten to death while being "questioned" about the 1995 bombing
6) Flight 800 missile attack
7) 9/11 WTC bombing
8) A pentagon plan revealed by General Wesley Clark to aggressively wage war against 7 countries in 5 years
9) wholesale looting of the economy since 1998 via government/Wall Street/central banks racketeering


I dunno about you, but even with these few items listed, I rate federal credibility at something a less than 00. If I was on a jury, I would not accept their video as proof without confirmation from a disinterested third party. Just my .02.

originally posted by: abdctd
They never set off any bombs at the marathon.

Dozens of eye witness' saw them throw home made bombs at the cops. If the men were totally innocent without any nefarious plans, how'd they get those bombs?

I'm looking forward to the trial. I hope it's on TV like the Zimmerman one was. Before the Zimmerman trial I figured he was guilty of Manslaughter, but within a day or so I had to flip to 'not guilty' because of what happened in the trial. With this trial, I'm thinking guilty on all counts .... so we'll see if the trial changes my mind like it did with Zimmerman.

originally posted by: juspassinthru
Let's examine the credibility of the people producing the 'evidence'.

What do you think the motive would be for the federal gov't to set up these two people for a mass murder charge? What would the goal be? And do you think that goal was achieved?

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: WanDash

...Not sure what you're trying to ask?

...You think the murder is made up? That it happened and is unrelated?

Sorry if it wasn't obvious ('what I was trying to ask').
You stated that they (the brothers) murdered the security guard.
I was wondering how you know this...and...if you do know this - would you mind giving us the details of how it went down, so those of us who are currently 'unsure' that this is, indeed, fact, can set this part of the puzzle aside, and focus on the remaining questions that continue to trouble our overtaxed minds.
Thanks for your consideration.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Motive is the big question for me in this whole thing. I don't see the reason for the bombing and I don't see the motive for a coverup either.

a reply to: djz3ro

Motive is the big question for me in this whole thing.

All you have to do is listen to the media.

What was Adam Lanzas motive?

He was evil !

James Homes?

He was evil !

They were evil !

Guess what?

We're all evil !

originally posted by: FlyersFan

What do you think the motive would be for the federal gov't to set up these two people for a mass murder charge? What would the goal be? And do you think that goal was achieved?

Because their evil.

a reply to: FlyersFan

how'd they get those bombs?

That is a good question...if it were them, how did they get bombs or anything else since they went home and to a party and clearly were not ready for any action.

They stole a car...eventually...when did they go get backpacks? The others they carried were blown up. They leisurely went back to the dorm and picked up their terrorist supplies? Where did they carry the very heavy pressure cookers?

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: WanDash

Not sure what you're trying to ask?

You think the murder is made up? That it happened and is unrelated?

Probably an "actor", right?

The last time I took part in a discussion about this there were are few people here (one of which is in this very thread) who believed that no one died, no one was injured, that everything was staged and the many thousands of people involved from victims to police to medical staff and even the families of those injured or killed were all "make believe".

I actually don't remember anyone on any of the threads say they believed for sure no one was dead or injured. Being that there was a scheduled drill to practice terrorist bombing, actors would have not been unreasonable. There were some pretty weird things happening for the whole of it to be real.
www.examiner.com...

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
Really ? What about CRAFT international? Mercs ? They were present at the site of the blast wearing hats almost identical to the "bombers"

According to who, Alex Jones? I've seen security staff in photos with people claiming all kinds of things about them, that they "suddenly lost" their bags, when the images clearly show they STILL HAD THEM after the blasts.

Again, where is the EVIDENCE.

This happens a lot on ATS, and it's one of the things that makes this community look completely irrational. A blog post is not evidence, the accusations of Alex Jones are not evidence, a YouTube rant is not evidence.

You state that my opinions (statements made by law enforcement) is just hearsay as a method of dismissing it, then you yourself use hearsay to support your belief!

Of all the evidence we have available to us right now, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that anyone else was responsible for this attack, and there is plenty of evidence to be offered in court to suggest that the brothers did indeed carry out this attack.

Again, why is it that you call everything that threatens your unfounded beliefs "hearsay", while you yourself use nothing bu hearsay to support your own opinions?

When did i say everything is hearsay?

And let's just ignore the "unknown" security force that were wearing hats with craft international logos on them right?

And for the future it's not wise to assume that i gather my info from ALEX JONES ... If you would have taken the time to,read my previous posts you would know where exactly why i don't believe the OS ..

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Wrabbit2000

It just seems to me that most terrorists who are as hateful
as these two are described usually have pics of themselves with
their favorite firearm or something? But I guess if there's no
weapon in Dzhokars possession in the link you provided. Then
there isn't one anywhere that you or I know of correct?
And I'd also like to commend that photographer for either his
bravery or stupidity I don't know which. Standing in an open
window with all that gunfire going on? IDK Bullet proof glass?

Exactly my point! . I am Muslim , and in my years of research ,i have never seen such an act of terrorism happen without a motive or someone claiming responsibility... No video,no pics, no extreme group coming forward.... Nothing....

Also another thing that surprised me is if the FBI believes this was an extremist terrorism act ..why has no one els been named in this act ? Surely if they were extreme they would attend a mosque whom houses extreme imams (teachers) ? The dots would connect somewhere ...but not this case

a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

I really like the people that require us to have evidence for what's
in plain sight. Evidence against a case built and manicured from the
ground up and along every step of the way. As per the claim, not to
mention against a government that could just whack us all and start
all over with fresh fish on whim anyway. But instead nothing but an
absolute refusal to see what obviously many other people see clearly.
I don't get that crap at all. Fear, that's all it could be.

Sometimes you feel like a movie star, when you're smoke'n a cigar.
But to everyone else you look like Lassie take'n a crap.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: AlphaHawk
...I recall another bomber who wasn't much smarter than these two, except in sheer scale of course, (and smarts isn't what that took anyway), in Oklahoma. ...

That's kind of interesting, too.
Supposedly (reportedly), the Russians/Chechnyans and Saudis thought the elder brother should be considered a threat (or, at least, worth keeping an eye on)...and, again, reportedly the FBI 'investigated' the worth of those claims...
Also, reportedly, the mother believed the FBI was interested in recruiting (or, at least, harassing) one or both of the brothers - - but (if what we are told to believe about this situation is true), were 'totally' duped by these "dumb" bombers.
We know that the NSA (and, in recent history, the FBI) has/had the ability to snoop into anyone-of-interest's emails, online searches, browser histories, pages visited...etc... And...one would assume/presume, such activities to be directed at "the safety and defense of the Republic"...which would further suggest that 'persons of interest' (watch-lists) would be more closely monitored than everyone-else.
So - who's Dumb...and who's Dumber? (again - accepting the story we are being told to...accept).

There was obviously no "blaze of glory"...or "in defense of Islam"...motive/intent.
There were apparently no preparations for "getting out of dodge".

Not saying I believe you are wrong. I am, though, saying that many pieces do not fit the "Lone Gunman/Pristine Bullet" explanation.

Additional thought:
The series of pics you linked to, showed that all of the activity (of interest) at said location took place within a total of 4 minutes.
Meaning - first pic' showing the brothers* crouched in front of the SUV...'til the SUV was 'gone' and the elder brother* lying (apparently, mortally injured/wounded) in the middle of the street.
The 'pressure cooker bomb' was apparently thrown(?) by one of the brothers* sometime after 12:47:57 AM, and before 12:50:57 AM...
The commentary says that the explosion injected an "enormous cloud of smoke that covered the entire street".
So - sometime after 12:47:57 AM, the brothers* heaved the pressure cooker in the direction of the cops (who were 80 or so feet away)...and, in the confusion that accompanied the enormous cloud of smoke, the elder brother* ran through the smoke, continuing to shoot at the cops, while the younger brother got into the SUV, turned it around, and 'sped' toward the cops (as well as his brother, now lying in the middle of the street)... And, to my eyes, there is little to no difference in the haze on the street, between the first photos and the one that would/should have been only a minute or two after said enormous cloud of smoke covered the entire street.
Additionally - the "bomb blast" site...looks like little more damage than a sizeable firework.
Are you aware of what kind of 'shrapnel damage' was incurred by the vehicles, picket fences, houses, cops, witnesses...from this "bomb"?
True that there's not much to go on in those iPhone photos...but, if it was the kind of 'bomb' that supposedly injured hundreds only a few days earlier, at the Marathon, I would have expected at least a few fence pickets to have been busted or topped-off...or...something.
Additionally - it is obvious that said explosion didn't take out the brake lights of the SUV...and, does not appear to have taken out the rear window of said SUV...

I don't consider any of these bits 'debunkers' or deal busters... They, however, cause one to wonder.

a reply to: WanDash

Are you aware of what kind of 'shrapnel damage' was incurred by the vehicles, picket fences, houses, cops, witnesses...from this "bomb"?

I saw the photos of the victims. Two who died, including the child, taken from about 4 feet away and with nothing left to any imagination. No links..and please, no one else link them. It's T&C outright on gore. However, they are out there in full sets. The woman and child were very much alive and aware of their surroundings after the bombing. The photos taken immediately after, show that. They presumably died of profound shock and blood loss from the lower halves being blown away with the blast. They were almost on top of it.....and died from secondary causes, after the blast. It was weak and ineffective. About what I'd expect a couple of average people following directions from a magazine to build.

Give an average Jihadi bomber that was peddling them in Iraq that same street and mass gathering of soft targets? Well..... Outcome speaks to skill and skill speaks to what likely happened, in my opinion. There simply was little to no skill shown and any doubts I had about that were removed from that photo series the homeowner caught. I don't think they ever imagined it going how it did. (They never seem to) By the time they even realized the depth of the nightmare they created for themselves? They were far beyond the chance to un-do the damage or outcome.

Although, to be totally fair....I can't absolutely know and until I'd sit in a court room as a Juror to hear the evidence that actually exists, without media interpretation, I can't say he's guilty. I can just say, in my personal opinion, he's as guilty looking as anyone I've seen on a thing who didn't literally photograph themselves in the act ...and they almost met that criteria during the planting of the devices, too.

People keep asking why? The gov would plan a false flag operation? Truth is we will never fully know... But a simple google search turned up some interesting info..

President Barack Obama signed legislation today that will make it harder for the public to track financial disclosure reports for members of Congress to assure they are not profiting from insider trading.

Government watchdog groups are blasting the move saying it reverses a key part of the so-called STOCK Act passed last year that was aimed at making sure members of Congress disclose major financial transactions within 45 days.

But White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters in Washington that there were national security and law enforcement issues raised by the online disclosures required by the STOCK Act.

But according to government watchdog groups, the new law also eliminates a requirement that members of Congress put their reports in searchable and sortable formats. In addition, the new law reverses a requirement for Congress and the White House to file their transaction reports electronically.

04/15/2013


politics.heraldtribune.com...


I dont recall ever hearing about this...

Just sayin...