Russian Jet Provokes U.S. Military Naval Ship

reply to post by NavyDoc

I was talking about the Soviet invasions in cahoots with the Nazis that started it all. It seems you, as most people, are not aware of this fact of history.

Yes I am aware of that… my grandfather was stationed in Poland during the war. I have a vested interest in knowing what happened in that country.

Hitler rose to power long before he "combined with Stalin" to invade Poland.

Germanys rise was directly attributable to the instability caused by the world wide crash of 1929. Yes, part of the reason for Hiltlers rise was also the overburdensome conditions brought about by the Versailles treaty. And that was caused by greedy people (in charge of banks) to insure Germany remanded more than their share of the war debt incurred by allied nations after WWII. War debt held by Bankers. Hitlers rise to power was fueled by propaganda directed at Versaille and other BS like "Sovereignty, Independence and payback for Versailles. The carving up of Poland was designed by Hitler to lull the Soviets into a false sense of security.

Obviously his intent all along was to conquer the world. He appealed to Stalins likemindedness in order to further his own aims. Stalin bought it and eventually paid the price…

intrptr
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

I was talking about the Soviet invasions in cahoots with the Nazis that started it all. It seems you, as most people, are not aware of this fact of history.

Yes I am aware of that… my grandfather was stationed in Poland during the war. I have a vested interest in knowing what happened in that country.

Hitler rose to power long before he "combined with Stalin" to invade Poland.

Germanys rise was directly attributable to the instability caused by the world wide crash of 1929. Yes, part of the reason for Hiltlers rise was also the overburdensome conditions brought about by the Versailles treaty. And that was caused by greedy people (in charge of banks) to insure Germany remanded more than their share of the war debt incurred by allied nations after WWII. War debt held by Bankers. Hitlers rise to power was fueled by propaganda directed at Versaille and other BS like "Sovereignty, Independence and payback for Versailles. The carving up of Poland was designed by Hitler to lull the Soviets into a false sense of security.

Obviously his intent all along was to conquer the world. He appealed to Stalins likemindedness in order to further his own aims. Stalin bought it and eventually paid the price…

Which gets back to my original point. "The Bankers" caused Stalin to make that land grab?

The punitive Treaty of Versailles was a plot by the bankers or revenge by a people who'd lost an entire generation? Besides, I would wager that you think that Jewish bankers started WWI in the first place, amirite?

You say your grandfather was stationed there at the time? This makes me curious, was he Soviet Army or German Army?

reply to post by rickynews


Sorry, I don't have the time to read all the replies, but I do have a couple of questions. First, was the Russian clean? Did it have any ordinance? Mere machine guns wouldn't be a serious threat to the ship and the U.S. Captain would know that, especially when he easily could have radar lock on that plane with SAMS ready to launch.

Did the Captain respond with radar lock?

This is a borderline incident, especially with Obama unlikely to aggressively respond.

The U.S. ship could have easily taken those two planes out. Not a big deal, IMO.

reply to post by nwtrucker

The U.S. ship could have easily taken those two planes out. Not a big deal, IMO.

"The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s," the colonel said.

Link navy.mil

People are now being slaugtered in the east of the Ukraine and Mr Putin has asked the USA to call off the dogs but if the killing continues then Russia will have no option but to send in the army.

Many hostages have been taken so the sooner Russia invades then the better I say.

Again we see double standards from the USA


reply to post by intrptr


"And that was caused by greedy people (in charge of banks) to insure Germany remanded more than their share of the war debt incurred by allied nations after WWII. War debt held by Bankers"

64 or 68% of the bankers were jewish and once removed the country found the money to build up a war machine the equal of the world in just four years.

reply to post by NavyDoc

I would wager that you think that Jewish bankers started WWI in the first place, emirate?

(???)

On my grandfather, all I know is he was a "civilian" sent there to do "forestry" during the Occupation . That was his occupation before and after the war.

However, he was an infantryman in the trenches of WWI, a card carrying member of the Nazi Party during WWII and walked back from Poland after the Soviets drove the Germans out. Then he was forced into Volkssturm defending Berlin at the end.

The information vacuum surrounding (Eastern Poland) at that time and place is deep. Thats why I continue to study it.

Thats why I am so antiwar. I grew up in the Vietnam era and one side of my family were friggin Nazis.

Whats your story?

oldkawguy
It's a wonder the ships Capt. didn't blow it out of the sky. He had reason for sure. I wonder if that pilot, no, I know that pilot knew he was putting himself and his plane in great danger. US war ships are nothing to fool with. They got lucky IMO.

Thats one way of looking at it but I see another way.

If the ship had opened fire, took one life then it would had been at the bottom of the sea by now since Russia has missiles in that region that would make a duck shoot out of any navy.

As you say, Lucky indeed.

intrptr
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

I would wager that you think that Jewish bankers started WWI in the first place, emirate?

(???)

On my grandfather, all I know is he was a "civilian" sent there to do "forestry" during the Occupation . That was his occupation before and after the war.

However, he was an infantryman in the trenches of WWI, a card carrying member of the Nazi Party during WWII and walked back from Poland after the Soviets drove the Germans out. Then he was forced into Volkssturm defending Berlin at the end.

The information vacuum surrounding (Eastern Poland) at that time and place is deep. Thats why I continue to study it.

Thats why I am so antiwar. I grew up in the Vietnam era and one side of my family were friggin Nazis.

Whats your story?

My mom is an emigre' from the former soviet union. Her family were Ruthenians (Byzantine Catholics who straddled the border of Poland and The Ukraine--Byzantine Catholics are a eligious/ethnic group that combine Western and Eastern Traditions, under Rome by hierarchy, but use Orthodox traditions and liturgies). Anyway, my interest comes from them being hit by both sides--Genocide under Stalin (see Ukrainian famine) that caused them to flee west into Poland, and then murder first by the occupying Soviets and then murder and concentration camps by the occupying Germans and then murder from the returning Soviets. Of 15 siblings in that generation, three (one of which was my grandfather) survived.

Also have a Russian side of the family as well.

I can't believe the bickering and this thread is still going

Both party's got what they wanted out of this incident

Russia looked big and tough and defiant and made there statement to the US which was we're not afraid

The US set the trap and showed Russia for who they're, aggressive, the US had every right to be there she was breaking no laws and rules

It's a classic playground tactic of "look miss he hit me"

Both the US and Russia are guilty party's in this escalation of events and I very much doubt NATO was please with either side escalating tensions

Ye we all know US army are provoking Russians in their area.

Black sea is on OTHER SIDE OF GLOBE away from USA. US keeping peace. Praise nobel winner for peace president.

Today, it is enough to be US citizen to be considered guilty lol

Never any good from USA. Just wars, lies, more wars.

oldkawguy

doompornjunkie

LightningStrikesHere
Does the US own that part of the sea? Or air space? sounds like FUX news is trying to make a Mountain out of a mole hill..

wish we had Access to record on how many times US drones violated "air space"


Just saying....

No, they don't own that part of the sea, but all naval ships are surrounded by a no fly zone. You DO NOT fly anywhere near them, it's damn near an act of war.

It's a wonder the ships Capt. didn't blow it out of the sky. He had reason for sure. I wonder if that pilot, no, I know that pilot knew he was putting himself and his plane in great danger. US war ships are nothing to fool with. They got lucky IMO.

I suspect that the U.S. Navy Captain determined the Russian jet(s) were not armed. Had they been armed, we may well have been talking about the U.S. shooting down two Russian jets, which gives rise to the notion of escalating tensions and exchanges of fire from both sides. That is why it was both foolish and dangerous for Russia to test the U.S. Naval Commanders.

poweref
Ye we all know US army are provoking Russians in their area.

Black sea is on OTHER SIDE OF GLOBE away from USA. US keeping peace. Praise nobel winner for peace president.

Today, it is enough to be US citizen to be considered guilty lol

Never any good from USA. Just wars, lies, more wars.

Even Communist Russians like you are welcome to share your views here on ATS..., but not in Russia of course.

NavyDoc

intrptr
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

I would wager that you think that Jewish bankers started WWI in the first place, emirate?

(???)

On my grandfather, all I know is he was a "civilian" sent there to do "forestry" during the Occupation . That was his occupation before and after the war.

However, he was an infantryman in the trenches of WWI, a card carrying member of the Nazi Party during WWII and walked back from Poland after the Soviets drove the Germans out. Then he was forced into Volkssturm defending Berlin at the end.

The information vacuum surrounding (Eastern Poland) at that time and place is deep. Thats why I continue to study it.

Thats why I am so antiwar. I grew up in the Vietnam era and one side of my family were friggin Nazis.

Whats your story?

My mom is an emigre' from the former soviet union. Her family were Ruthenians (Byzantine Catholics who straddled the border of Poland and The Ukraine--Byzantine Catholics are a eligious/ethnic group that combine Western and Eastern Traditions, under Rome by hierarchy, but use Orthodox traditions and liturgies). Anyway, my interest comes from them being hit by both sides--Genocide under Stalin (see Ukrainian famine) that caused them to flee west into Poland, and then murder first by the occupying Soviets and then murder and concentration camps by the occupying Germans and then murder from the returning Soviets. Of 15 siblings in that generation, three (one of which was my grandfather) survived.

Also have a Russian side of the family as well.

You have summarized quite well the reasons why the U.S.'s NATO allies and European friends are very concerned about the Russians attempting to expand beyond just Crimea, Ukraine, and perhaps make a run at another nearby and sovereign nation that used to be under Soviet control. The history of Soviet Russian expansionism is well known, and has certainly been accomplished and attempted before. The Communist mantra is one of territorial expansionism, and the spread of a totalitarian state.

nwtrucker
reply to post by rickynews

 

Sorry, I don't have the time to read all the replies, but I do have a couple of questions. First, was the Russian clean? Did it have any ordinance? Mere machine guns wouldn't be a serious threat to the ship and the U.S. Captain would know that, especially when he easily could have radar lock on that plane with SAMS ready to launch.

Did the Captain respond with radar lock?

This is a borderline incident, especially with Obama unlikely to aggressively respond.

The U.S. ship could have easily taken those two planes out. Not a big deal, IMO.

The Pentagon indicated that the Russian Jets were not armed with missiles. As to whether the U.S. Naval ship got a "target lock" on the Russian Jets, I would think they most probably did, although we may never really know that for sure, since that info may be considered "Above Top Secret".

Thank God nothing came of this incident.
Or i'm sure it would have been another
bengazi, where our beloved spinless
administration sat in the war room, watching
all this unfold and leaving the ship and
her crew to defend themselves. While
russia sent all available assets, our navy
would be told to stand down. Geez...

Even Communist Russians like you are welcome to share your views here on ATS..., but not in Russia of course.

reply to post by rickynews


So anyone who disagrees with you must be a " communist russian"? Well then, just call me "Ivan".....if I can call you "Hillary"...

Flatcoat

Even Communist Russians like you are welcome to share your views here on ATS..., but not in Russia of course.

reply to post by rickynews

 

So anyone who disagrees with you must be a " communist russian"? Well then, just call me "Ivan".....if I can call you "Hillary"...

I've been called worse...but not much worse.

reply to post by VirusGuard

Anyone who actually believes that the U.S., with it's current "leadership", has ANYTHING to do with the Ukrainian situation is out of their minds or actively being paid to dissemble by vested interests.

The U.S. has failed to act positively in Syria, Iran and now, the Ukraine.

The fascist label on the Ukrainian gov't is pure propaganda, the U.S. "dogs" is garbage and ALL of this is created by and for the benefit of Putin, himself. The Ukrainian people LOATH Russia, have been working/fighting for independence for decades. Putin now controls 11 cities in eastern Ukraine...all after the Crimean take-over with it's "justifications". The new justifications are "American Dogs", hostages.

Obama hasn't the guts to do anything remotely like is being portrayed. He is at war-albeit politically- in his own nation, is shrinking the military budget, cancelling programs-ie. hell-fires, every single aspect of Obama actions are in direct contradiction to any adventurism in the Ukraine.

Is the U.S. a angel? Hell, no! However, it's time some of you recognize that the U.S. isn't the sole inventor/owner of B.S..

If you wish not to see Putin as taking advantage of the weakest U.S. administration in history....your blind. If you see Putin as some freedom loving idealist...well...change your meds..or get on some.

By the way, I'M half Russian and half Ukrainian by descent.

Personally, I don't really care if you disagree with this post, cite or post "links" saying otherwise or not.

It's something that needed to be said.

Pretty sure if Russia was sailing through Americas backyard the yanks would fly over to have a look , no harm done and "Whats good for the goose is good for the Gander "

reply to post by nwtrucker


What a load of crap, Ukraine do not loath Russia. Which is why you are seeing the protests.