Ukraine Mobilizes Military, Gives Separatists Ultimatum; Russia Slams Escalation As "Criminal", Ya

Angered by the death of a state security officer and the wounding of two comrades near the flashpoint eastern city of Slaviansk, acting president Oleksander Turchinov gave rebels occupying state buildings until 0600 GMT on Monday to lay down their weapons.

So there we have it 6.00 am is the deadline. it is now 3.30 am in Ukraine now.

keenasbro
reply to post by keenasbro

 

This is the most recent article I could find. Monday, April 14, 2014 08:09:00

It's 1.45 am in Kiev at the moment, so we have a few more hours before the deadline.

The deadline being Monday morning, I'm not sure if we are talking office hours here, or presumably 6am, I have never been in the military but I'm sure they don't keep office hours.

www.abc.net.au...

SAMANTHA POWER: It has all the tell-tale signs of what we saw in Crimea. It's professional; it's coordinated; there's nothing grassroots seeming about it. The forces are doing in each of the six or seven cities that they've been active in exactly the same thing. So certainly it bears the tell tale signs of Moscow's involvement.

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edit on 13-4-2014 by keenasbro because: to add

Plus the Pro-Russian protest are tiny in those areas with a vast majority not wanting to side with Russia and keep Ukraine as it is, One big Ukrainian nation who likes independence. Most see through these Russian take overs for what they are, a pathetic attempt by Russia to make another excuse.

I guess in two days we will have the WAR signal or one that God is bringing all hell down to earth as he promised. The Blood Moon on the 15th seems very ominous. Pray for peace and prepare for war!

You are seemingly forgetting the UN also suported the new government in Ukraine if i remember correctly.

reply to post by yuppa


Hahaha...the UN...who cares? The US follows what the UN says ONLY when it is convienient. The UN declared the war in Iraq as illegal and did it stop the US?

DU weapons are illegal under international conventions of war...did the US care?

Did the US care when they were only given a resolution to enforce a no fly zone in Libya....and instead carried out a bombing campaign that killed thousands and destroyed Libya's infrastructure?

The UN is a sham...unable to do the job for which it was originally intended.

Putin is playing the long game he's no fool. Nato the UK the US the UN have no balls for this. Putin has. He's defacto the new Tsar. Russians have never known freedom in the sense Western countries think they have. They're Serfs and quite happy with their lot. We should avoid like the plauge. The sitting war continues.

reply to post by deadcalm


On 19 March 2011, a multi-state coalition began a military intervention in Libya to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which was taken in response to events during the Libyan Civil War,[18] and military operations began, with American and British naval forces firing over 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles,[19] the French Air Force, British Royal Air Force, and Royal Canadian Air Force[20] undertaking sorties across Libya and a naval blockade by Coalition forces.[21] Air strikes against Libyan Army tanks and vehicles by French jets were since confirmed.[22][23] The official names for the interventions by the coalition members are Opération Harmattan by France; Operation Ellamy by the United Kingdom; Operation Mobile for the Canadian participation and Operation Odyssey Dawn for the United States.[24]

Notice something there. the US didnt do AIR RAIDS. All they did was use missiles to hit military targets. SO unless the civilians were made to stay in those areas its on the Libyans not them.

Now for the DU

Louise Arbour, chief prosecutor for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia led a committee of staff lawyers to investigate possible treaty prohibitions against the use of DU in weapons. Their findings were that:[42]

There is no specific treaty ban on the use of DU projectiles. There is a developing scientific debate and concern expressed regarding the impact of the use of such projectiles and it is possible that, in future, there will be a consensus view in international legal circles that use of such projectiles violate general principles of the law applicable to use of weapons in armed conflict. No such consensus exists at present.[43]

Later the UN passed a resolution but Didnt you just say the UN is now useful anymore? SO why should the US respect a resolution they passed?

webtv.un.org...

This is a live feed, UN Live.

Notice something there. the US didnt do AIR RAIDS. All they did was use missiles to hit military targets. SO unless the civilians were made to stay in those areas its on the Libyans not them.

reply to post by yuppa


WRONG.

U.S. forces STILL flying hundreds of bombing raids over Libya as Obama says America is only playing a limited role

Since NATO’s Operation Unified Protector took over from the American-led Operation Odyssey Dawn on 31 March, the U.S. has flown hundreds of strike missions, according to United States Africa Command (AFRICOM).
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'Since 31 March, the U.S. has flown a total of 3,475 sorties...Of those, 801 were strike sorties, 132 of which actually dropped ordnance.'

A White House report on the Libya conflict sent to Congress on 15 June says that 'American strikes are limited to the suppression of enemy air defense and occasional strikes by unmanned Predator UAVs against a specific set of targets.'
The report also said the U.S. provides an 'alert strike package.'
The U.S. has mainly been deploying the Air Force’s F-16CJ and Navy’s EA-18G Growler electronic attack aircrafts in Libya, according to Ms Dalrymple.

Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. David Deptula told the Air Force Times that it was not surprising that the U.S. is conducting strike missions.
He said: 'It’s no surprise to me that we’ve been participating, because we’re a member of NATO.'

www.dailymail.co.uk...

As for DU weapons....

Subsequent agreements, including the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, the Geneva Conventions of 1925 and 1949, the Nuremberg Charter of 1945, and the Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia,7 have affirmed that the following acts are prohibited under international law:

i. use of weapons or tactics which cause unnecessary or aggravated devastation or suffering;
ii. use of weapons or tactics which cause indiscriminate harm, i.e. to noncombatants;
iii. use of weapons or tactics which violate the neutral jurisdiction of nonparticipating states;
iv. use of asphyxiating, poisonous or other gas, and all analogous substances including bacteriological methods of war;
v. use of weapons or tactics which cause widespread, long- term and severe damage to the environment.

These principles are accepted by most states, including the U.S., the major user of DU weapons. The U.S., for example, has affirmed these principles in the U.S. Army Manual, The Law of Land Warfare (1956). More recently the U.S., UK, France and Russia affirmed their acceptance of these principles in their statements to the International Court of Justice in the advisory opinion on the legality of the threat or use of nuclear weapons.8

www.disarmsecure.org...

See number V...or 5 if you don't understand Roman numerals...that would make the use of DU weapons illegal. They have contaminated Iraq with radio active waste....that would certainly count as long-term severe damage to the environment.

Who cares what some lawyer says? They also said torture was legal....give a lawyer enough money and they'll say anything.

U.S. Depleted Uranium as Malicious as Syrian Chemical Weapons

HERE

Iraq's depleted uranium clean-up to cost $30m as contamination spreads

The report, which was funded by the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, warns that the contamination is being spread by poorly regulated scrap metal dealers, including children. It also documents evidence that DU munitions were fired at light vehicles, buildings and other civilian infrastructure including the Iraqi Ministry of Planning in Baghdad – casting doubt on official assurances that only armoured vehicles were targeted. "The use of DU in populated areas is alarming," it says, adding that many more contaminated sites are likely to be discovered.

More than 400 tonnes of DU ammunition are estimated to have been fired by jets and tanks in the two Iraq wars in 1991 and 2003, the vast majority by US forces. The UK government says that British forces fired less than three tonnes.

DU is a chemically toxic and radioactive heavy metal produced as waste by the nuclear power industry. It is used in weapons because it is an extremely hard material capable of piercing armour.

However, it can contaminate the environment, and has been linked to health problems in civilian populations. Iraqi doctors have reported increases in cancers, and an alleged rise in birth defects is under investigation by the World Health Organisation and the Iraqi Ministry of Health.

www.theguardian.com...

Later the UN passed a resolution but Didnt you just say the UN is now useful anymore? SO why should the US respect a resolution they passed?

The US won't stop....who can believe anything the US Gov says anymore? They lie so frequently you would be a fool to. The US has shown time ansd time again they couldn't care less about international law....nor do they care about breaking international agreements....like the US chemical weapons stockpile for instance...

They let US soldiers handle this toxic waste...without telling them the dangers.

Patriotsrevenge

keenasbro
reply to post by keenasbro

 

This is the most recent article I could find. Monday, April 14, 2014 08:09:00

It's 1.45 am in Kiev at the moment, so we have a few more hours before the deadline.

The deadline being Monday morning, I'm not sure if we are talking office hours here, or presumably 6am, I have never been in the military but I'm sure they don't keep office hours.

www.abc.net.au...

SAMANTHA POWER: It has all the tell-tale signs of what we saw in Crimea. It's professional; it's coordinated; there's nothing grassroots seeming about it. The forces are doing in each of the six or seven cities that they've been active in exactly the same thing. So certainly it bears the tell tale signs of Moscow's involvement.

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edit on 13-4-2014 by keenasbro because: to add

Plus the Pro-Russian protest are tiny in those areas with a vast majority not wanting to side with Russia and keep Ukraine as it is, One big Ukrainian nation who likes independence. Most see through these Russian take overs for what they are, a pathetic attempt by Russia to make another excuse.

I guess in two days we will have the WAR signal or one that God is bringing all hell down to earth as he promised. The Blood Moon on the 15th seems very ominous. Pray for peace and prepare for war!

It is starting to look a bit grim, Russia calls a security council meeting as they are worried about the Pro Russian protesters before the Kiev deadline. So everything looks legal.The build up of Russian forces on the border waiting. Methinks they will invade before any referendum , because the numbers might not favour them in that part of the Ukraine. They might be pro Russian protesters, but taking government buildings has the habit of causing bloodshed. The only way out of this is to have a fair referendum to see what the people really want. It might be that they would be better off under the Russians, because all the EU will do is impose austerity measures. But it looks like a few borders in Europe are going to be changed. My worry is that NATO will think it might be time call Putin's Bluff. But anything could happen.

The UN the EU the US all unanimously agree Russia is the cause and aiding problems in the East of Ukraine along with the Ukrainian government and the Ukrainian people

Small handfuls of armed masked men taking over police and government buildings in the East does not give Russia the right to intervene militarily

These people are not protesters, and we never see them protest at all prior to these events, they're Russian armed and aided terrorists nothing more

Ukraine now has every right to respond to these armed take overs with force

reply to post by 13th Zodiac


I'm definitely impressed by your Dark Knight prediction, let's just hope you'll be wrong this time.
Maybe you should make a prediction thread.

www.reuters.com...

"The National Security and Defense Council has decided to launch a full-scale anti-terrorist operation involving the armed forces of Ukraine," Turchinov said in an address to the nation.

The head of Ukraine's state security service (SBU) said government forces would respond ruthlessly if pro-Russian separatists opened fire.

"If they open fire, we will annihilate them. There should be no doubt about this," Valentyn Nalyvaichenko said in a televised interview.

Well the deadline has passed by minutes only, I can't find any further info at this time, but the message is clear from Ukraine security and defence council. (Above Quotes)

keenasbro
www.reuters.com...

"The National Security and Defense Council has decided to launch a full-scale anti-terrorist operation involving the armed forces of Ukraine," Turchinov said in an address to the nation.

The head of Ukraine's state security service (SBU) said government forces would respond ruthlessly if pro-Russian separatists opened fire.

"If they open fire, we will annihilate them. There should be no doubt about this," Valentyn Nalyvaichenko said in a televised interview.

Well the deadline has passed by minutes only, I can't find any further info at this time, but the message is clear from Ukraine security and defence council. (Above Quotes)

edit on 13-4-2014 by keenasbro because: to add

More evidence the western-backed ultranationalist Ukrainian gov't is just as evil as Russia's. From said source,

Earlier, the American ambassador to the U.N., Samantha Power, said on ABC's "This Week" that the United States was prepared to step up sanctions against Moscow if pro-Russian military actions in eastern Ukraine continued.

They're so arrogant they're not even hiding it anymore. They're prepared to issue sanctions against Russia for an event unfolding in the Ukraine...WITH NO PROOF RUSSIA IS BEHIND IT WHATSOEVER. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES HOW #ING INSANE THAT IS!?!?

Davian

keenasbro
www.reuters.com...

"The National Security and Defense Council has decided to launch a full-scale anti-terrorist operation involving the armed forces of Ukraine," Turchinov said in an address to the nation.

The head of Ukraine's state security service (SBU) said government forces would respond ruthlessly if pro-Russian separatists opened fire.

"If they open fire, we will annihilate them. There should be no doubt about this," Valentyn Nalyvaichenko said in a televised interview.

Well the deadline has passed by minutes only, I can't find any further info at this time, but the message is clear from Ukraine security and defence council. (Above Quotes)

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More evidence the western-backed ultranationalist Ukrainian gov't is just as evil as Russia's.

So the government of Ukraine doesn't have the right to response to armed masked gunmen that has taken over police and government buildings?

Really?

Kiev gives rebels deadline to disarm
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES: violence escalates in Ukraine, as the government launches an “anti-terrorist operation” set to target pro-Russian separatists.

www.smh.com.au...

media.smh.com.au...

Videos keep dropping out on my computer grrrr...

The first video link is saying it has started? please confirm.

The second video is the Ukraine Ambassador saying the Ukraine Government have no choice but to carry out the threat to the separatists? please confirm.

Davian

keenasbro
www.reuters.com...

Earlier, the American ambassador to the U.N., Samantha Power, said on ABC's "This Week" that the United States was prepared to step up sanctions against Moscow if pro-Russian military actions in eastern Ukraine continued.

They're so arrogant they're not even hiding it anymore. They're prepared to issue sanctions against Russia for an event unfolding in the Ukraine...WITH NO PROOF RUSSIA IS BEHIND IT WHATSOEVER. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES HOW #ING INSANE THAT IS!?!?

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Seriously?

The reappearance of men with specialised Russian weapons and identical uniforms without insignia, as previously worn by Russian troops during Russia's illegal and illegitimate seizure of Crimea? This isn't just chance

Plenty of Russian agents, protest tourists and even spetsnaz have been caught red handed inside Ukraine

andr3w68
reply to post by seeker1963

 

By no means am I saying the US has nothing to do with this. I KNOW they do. What I am saying is that Putin has no right to FORCEFULLY INVADE crimea.

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America had no right to forcefully invade Iraq either but you's still did. Crimea voted to go back to Russia so I don't think this was forced upon them either.

So the government of Ukraine

reply to post by TritonTaranis


The "government" in the Ukraine are oligarchs and fascists (self appointed BTW)...they are guilty of violating not only international law...but Ukranian law as well.

Who remembers this one....

In an earlier article, GR reported (scroll down) that more than twenty opposition Maidan protesters were killed by professional snipers on February 20. “This was not a spontaneous event resulting from clashes between protesters and riot police, nor was it marked by an exchange of gunfire between the police and the Neo-Nazi militia.” (See full article below)

The sniper killings had the hallmarks of a carefully planned operation. They happened within ‘the space of a few hours”. Moreover, the killings coincided with the meetings of President Viktor Yanukovych with a high level EU delegation. In a bitter irony, these targeted killings were used as a pretext to topple the government and issue an arrest warrant directed against president Yanukovych.

Based on the release of a controversial leaked telephone conversation, we are now in a position to confirm that the sniper fire on innocent civilians was ordered by the Neo-Nazi Maidan militia which is supported by Washington and NATO.

HERE

If you want to listen to that leaked conversation...it's all over the net. There is also a transcript at the link above.

Still want to defend these ultra nationalist fascists that took over the Ukranian Gov in an illegal coup?

Of course you do....how does the NSA pay BTW?

TritonTaranis

Seriously?

The reappearance of men with specialised Russian weapons and identical uniforms without insignia, as previously worn by Russian troops during Russia's illegal and illegitimate seizure of Crimea? This isn't just chance

Plenty of Russian agents, protest tourists and even spetsnaz have been caught red handed inside Ukraine

The Bolshevik's had no right to give Crimea to the Ukraine in the first place. The Bolshevik's were genocidal maniac's and regardless of what you think Crimea is Russian and hopefully it stay's that way.

and even spetsnaz have been caught red handed inside Ukraine

reply to post by TritonTaranis


Were those the ones with the ID that listed their occupation as SPY? I guess the Russians are the only one's with access to camo in the Ukraine....

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I remember your thread about that....I still chuckle over it.

Maybe you should go back and read it because we ripped that lie to shreds. I especially loved the photos of the "massive" troop build ups "right on the Ukranian border", which were pics taken almost 400 miles from the border of 1 apc on a trailer.

168617

andr3w68
reply to post by seeker1963

 

By no means am I saying the US has nothing to do with this. I KNOW they do. What I am saying is that Putin has no right to FORCEFULLY INVADE crimea.

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America had no right to forcefully invade Iraq either but you's still did. Crimea voted to go back to Russia so I don't think this was forced upon them either.

Wait... The US annexed Iraq? And Iraq under US occupation became part of the US? Why didn't I hear about this...that's disgusting

And who is you's I'm not from the US

Russia has been vastly out outvoted in the UN who do not recognise the referendum, it is not legit the appropriate channel need to be taken, the voting was also clearly rigged... Should Crimea chose the same path under fair voting and UN supervisors that's legitimate

I wonder if Russia would be willing to allow this to happen of Russia hasn't anything to worry about I'm sure Russia would agree to these terms